End of ADS-L Digest - 19 Sep 1995 to 20 Sep 1995

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There are 38 messages totalling 830 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. /k(y)upanz/

 2. Pulitzer Prze (2)

 3. /ku/ /kju/ and coupon (3)

 4. hice

 5. stupid laugh

 6. Mouse/Mice=House/Hice (11)

 7. ?Movie/T.V. dumb laugh ending (fwd)

 8. Positive Anymore (4)

 9. Geesed by Low-lives

 10. positive anymore

 11. Consonant Cluster Reduction/Busleft

 12. teeth/tooths

 13. Polygamists' wives

 14. LAGS (3)

 15. SES in sociolinguistics (2)

 16. Plural Proper Nouns

 17. Mouse/Mice=House/Hice (fwd)

 18. bizzing

 19. ? Comanche language (fwd)



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Date:  Thu, 21 Sep 1995 00:34:06 -0400

From:  ALICE FABER <faber[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]HASKINS.YALE.EDU>

Subject: /k(y)upanz/



Beth Simon asked:



* Did someone already ask this?

*

* Are pyulitzer people also kyupon people? And, pulitzer people ku-?

*

* I think I was a pulitzer/kup)n, and now I'm a pyu/kyu-

* And I'm beginning to suspect that I palatalized "coupon" (a word

* I rarely say, and haven't heard much) when I moved to a kyu

* - area,

* and have dragged the pulitzer prize along with it.



Various people answered:



Wayne Glowka:



* I'm generally not a palatalizer, but coupon is a big exception in my pattern.



Bethany Dumas:



* This pyulitzer person is also a kyupon person. And to me "ku:pan" is

* definitely heard as a hyper-correction.



Lynne Murphy:



* no, i'm a pull-itzer, kyupon person. always have been.



Natalie Maynor:



* I'm a pyulitzer/kyupon person.



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I'm definitely a "pull-itzer" "coo-pon" person. Didn't we have a go round last

year some time about the first consonant in _coupon_ and what it has to do

with more general /du/ vs /dyu/ palatalization? I definitely remember trying

to figure out the affect associated with /kyupan/, which sounds to me like

fingernails grating against a blackboard, I'm embarrassed to say. As best I

can reconstruct, I grew up in the NY area with /kyupan/ and then moved south

where I really didn't want to sound like a NY'er. (It was a revelation to me

to read about Labov's linguistic insecurity index and to realize that I was

being a typical NY'er when I didn't want to *sound* like a NY'er.)



So, I honestly don't remember whether I ever said /kyupan/. I suspect that

both pronunciations were around in my home town, a NY City suburb populated

equally by long-timers, ex-city people moving to the suburbs, and

Midwesterners working at corporate headquarters in the area. I remember

playground fights about which is right, _soda_ or _pop_, for instance. And, in

response to Bethany's intuition, I definitely don't feel as if I'm

hyper-correcting when I say /kupan/; I'm just selecting the existing alternant

that doesn't grate.



Alice Faber