Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:46:46 -0400 From: TERRY IRONS Subject: Re: FOR English Only On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Tom Uharriet wrote: > > Where do you get off telling those who do not share your views to get > the F*** off? If your views cannot stand the scrutiny of friendly > disagreement, maybe you should reconsider your argument before > resorting to ***'s. My position, by analogy, is very similar to the intent of English Only Legislation. It basically says, You no speak the English, You get the Hell out. WHo are the ENGISH ONLY people to be saying this to other americans. I was not presenting views. I was reminding people of some facts. Mandating one language in America is a violation of the constitution. Then after one language is mandated, they start telling us what we can say in it. > > You obviously know they CAN pass English Only legislation. That > capacity is well established by those who have done so already. The > question we have been addressing is whether they SHOULD. A growing > number of states say they should. Others say the whole nation > should. There are solid, well thought out reasons for it. There are > also good reasons not to do it. We have heard both from thinking > members of our group. It is not a good guys vs. bad guys issue. We > simply see the benefits and the drawbacks and weigh them according to > what we see is the most relavent. What more can we do? I hope you > have found enough diversity of thought on this issue to make the > discussion meaningful. To the credit of all of us, there is nothing > that any of us can say to make all of us feel the same way about this > issue. We are all too intelligent for that to happen. We think for > ourselves. A primary purpose of this discussion is to hear views > that are not our own. We gain understanding that way. I used the wrong modal. Dennis Baron pointed out to me that one such state statute was found to be unconstitutional, on 1st amendment grounds. Others have been upheld or not challenged. Does anyone know of cases in which state mandates for one language only have been upheld. I have seen no thoughtful reasons in support of ENGLISH ONLY. Only bigoted provincialism. ANd I still don't know who this "we" and "our group" is. From my perspective, the issue is a good guys vs. bad guys issue. Those who wish to impose their language on other citizens of this nation are quite simply imperialist oppressors. What benefit accrues to the hispanic or navaho or chinese child who is denied equal access to our society because he or she did not happen to be born in a white middle class suburb where SAE is spoken? What are these solid reasons? But my ire rises again. As Wayne suggests, this discussion has gone from polite to nasty. I fear I am to blame. But I cannot abide bigotry masquerading as rational thought. And I must speak. Where reason does not suffice, I have found insult to work. Terry (*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*) Terry Lynn Irons t.irons[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] Voice Mail: (606) 783-5164 Snail Mail: UPO 604 Morehead, KY 40351 (*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)=(*)