Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 13:21:23 -0600

From: Luanne von Schneidemesser lvonschn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU

Subject: Re: kimmelwick

In message Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:51:14 -0500,

"Joseph C. Salmons" jsalmons[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU writes:

Yes, it is, but the southern/central dialects where 'Weck' would be

used are generally unrounding. We don't even necessarily have to look

to Pennsylvania German on this one, since similar German borrowings

for cultural items abound across so much of the country. On the other

hand, 'Weck' does occur in the west middle/SW German dialect areas

that PaGm has grown from.

Luanne von Schneidemesser has done lots of really good and interesting

work on such German loans in American English and maybe she knows the

details of this item.

joe salmons

Thanks, Joe.

Eichhoff in his "Wortatlas der deutschen Umgangsprachen" shows 'Weck' to

be in use in southwest Germany, and well up into Hesse. I remember older

people in Giessen (north of Frankfurt) using the term when I was doing

my dissertation fieldwork. And yes, as Larry mentioned, kimmel comes from

German 'Ku"mmel' meaning caraway.

DARE, vol. III, which should be available in your local bookstores in

December, just in time for Christmas buying (plug, plug), has an entry under

'kimmelweck' (with a x-ref to 'beef on weck' vol. I). Defined as "A caraway

roll, used esp for a beef sandwich," its label is wNY, esp Buffalo. The

earliest quote is from 1952, Marian Tracy, Coast to Coast Cookery.



Luanne von Schneidemesser

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