Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:46:22 -0600 From: Charles F Juengling Subject: Re: Sulking Over Silky Milk & Other Words of That Ilk On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Peter McGraw wrote: > Aside from one observation, no one seems to have acknowledged the fairly > obvious fact that the l-loss under discussion here is phonologically > conditioned. The rule deleting the l seems confined to the environment > after back vowels. Clearly it's most solid (i.e. most general) after low > back vowels (I would be amazed to the point of incredulity to hear of any > AE speaker who pronounced an /l/ in "walk") and weakens with higher, to > say nothing of front, vowels, so that I would be equally amazed to hear an > American say /mIk/ for 'milk' So would I, because all the people who I've ever heard who have no /l/ in `milk' pronounce the word something like [mIuk] or [mIwk]. I don't know what the situation is in the northern Valley, but in the central part, [miuk] is not terribly common, but not so rare that it is surprising. Fritz Juengling Then there's mid back /o/, after which, > this discussion makes clear, there is considerable variation among, and > uncertainty within, speakers. As a child, I seem to have extended this > rule another notch: One day (I think I was in my teens), to my utter > astonishment, my parents pointed it out as an amusing idiosyncrasy that I > said, e.g., "big bad woof." At first I refused to believe that this > wasn't what everybody said, but eventually I made a conscious effort to > amend my pronunciation. I'm still aware of an effort every time I say > /wUlf/. > > As for "folk," I'm sure I omit the /l/ in all combinations. The > following /l/ would help me restore in in 'folklore', but I find it actually > difficult to pronounce it in 'folkdance'. > > Peter McGraw > Linfield College > McMinnville, OR > > On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Bethany Dumas, UTK wrote: > > > Thanks for getting me back in the thread. Yes, I have /l/s in many of the > > other words. But I don't recall ever hearing anyone say an /l/ in > > 'folk' or 'folklore' and I was beginning to think you were all crazy. > > > > Bethany > > > > >