Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:13:49 EDT From: BERGDAHL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]NEWOUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU Subject: Re: Upstate From: NAME: David Bergdahl FUNC: English TEL: (614) 593-2783 To: MX%"ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]"[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAX[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MRGATE[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAX My first wife's parents, immigrants during the 20's from Bavaria, lived in NY and built a weekend place in northern Westchester near Somers; they always referred to it as "the country" rather than upstate--which was further north up the Taconic State Pkwy. Their immigrant status is important because they would have picked up the contemporary usage rather than relied on any previous usage. They did have friends who built a place is Asconia, near the tri-state border of Mass/Conn/NY, and they were said to be upstate. In those days trains went beyond Brewster, so it couldn't be based on the difference between commuters/ non-commuters. I suggest that the city / suburban / exurban distinctions are, however, economic at heart. Upstate is where the local economy is not dependent on the city. I'd look at the newspaper rack to see if the NY or Albany papers are given prominence (or a Poughkeepsie paper?) Or to see where the distributors are located: is it union news or what? You get the idea! BERGDAHL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU David Bergdahl Ohio University/Athens "Where Appalachia meets the Midwest"