Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:56:03 -0400 From: "M. Lynne Murphy" <104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA> Subject: Re: icebox and upstate > A storyteller in the lower Hudson Valley has been having a bit of a debate > with another person on the definition of upstate in New York. He grew up in > Westcherster (I believe). That's the first county in New York State north of > New York City. To residents of New York City and Westchester/Putnam County, > where does upstate begin? Pick a town (or city) or other landmark. In terms > of the linguistic atlas data, I suspect that the increase of territory in the > commutershed of New York City has pushed the "line" north at least to > Poughkeepsie on the eastern bank of the Hudson River. West of the Hudson > River the "line" may be as close as Newburgh or even farther south. well, to my mind, the lower hudson valley is not upstate--anything south of albany (and not in the southern tier) is downstate. but nobody asked us western new yorkers. lynne, from newark, new york (NO! NOT NEW JERSEY!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- M. Lynne Murphy 104lyn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] Department of Linguistics phone: 27(11)716-2340 University of the Witwatersrand fax: 27(11)716-4199 Johannesburg 2050 SOUTH AFRICA