Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:16:16 EDT From: Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer Subject: Re: icebox and upstate I'm tempted to say that upstate begins where the commuter rail service ends, which I think at the moment means Brewster or thereabouts. (I'm a Manhattan resident and grew up in Queens.) Commuter rail in this case is standing in for a feeling that "upstate" is that part of the state that is not closely connected to the New York City economy, in particular where few if any people work in the city or come down here regularly to shop (as distinct from the occasional trip to see a show, visit people, or even once-a-year holiday shopping). But I also suspect that "upstate" for this purpose is farther out than the edge of the New York City dialect area. Vicki Rosenzweig vr%acmcr.uucp[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] New York, NY