Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 21:51:45 PDT From: John Baugh Subject: offending idiot [7606] TUE 10/18/94 21:23 FROM John.Baugh "John Baugh": OFFENDING IDIOT; 43 LINES ADSers: I read Chuck Coker's politically correct remarks concerning his sense of personal loss at the desecration of his grandparent's dog's burial site. Salikoko has raised many of the points that I wanted to raise, but I have three personal observations as an African American: 1) Were Coker's grandparents recipients of affirmative action, and were African Americans fairly or equally employed when those dams were built? 2) In the 60's when I was a boy scout,in a racially integrated scout troop, several of my fellow scouts (who happened to be white) would often dare groups of older boys(who would be white) to call me a nigger == because they knew that I would fight any and all comers who flaunted racial taunts. I still carry physical scars that resulted from those fights. One of the white boys that I fought told me of the betrayal of my fellow scouts (all of whom claimed not to be racist). 3) Since then it has been my experience that racists are usually the first to claim that "I'm not racist." PS: As a general rule, members of oppressed groups (or formerly oprressed groups) may use terms that might otherwise be offensive to members of that group; that is, as long as it is used in the proper context by another bona fide member of that same group. I don't doubt that Dr.Coker saw some African Americans refering to fellow Blacks as "Nigger." Indeed (as Sali observed) there are pragmatic constraints on these norms. When non-members of the group begin to toss around offensive and derogatory terms (which seems to be the politically correct trend) is when sparks (or worse) may fly. I regret that I haven't followed this discussion more closely, but as I read Prof. Coker's remarks I was reminded of the term "white trash" and "peckerwood" as other offensive idioms. Again, I suspect that I am covering old territory. In the meantime I look forward to seeing a lot of y'all when you come to town for NWAV. All best, John Baugh To: ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA.BITNET