End of ADS-L Digest - 26 Oct 1994 to 27 Oct 1994 ************************************************ There are 39 messages totalling 848 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. born in a barn (3) 2. The Southland (2) 3. buggy vs. cart (14) 4. forty-twelve 5. Larry Davis: a gentleman and scholar of the old school (3) 6. Forty-eleven 7. Folklore sayings (3) 8. 'needs fixed' fun 9. go/come with 10. Offensive terms 11. 7-11 12. grass and cats 13. need + p.p. 14. The word 'damn' 15. shopping cart/caddie 16. GURT 1995 - corrections 17. offending idioms (2) 18. offending idiot ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 23:28:36 -0500 From: Joan Livingston-Webber Subject: born in a barn In my childhood home, "born in a barn" referred exclusively to someone who didn't close an outside door behind them. For table manners, there was a verse, "Mabel, mabel strong and able Get your elbows off the table." I use born in a barn with my kids and their friends, and I, too, use it exclusively as a way to say, "shut the door !" I have always assumed it had to with not having to pay to heat a barn so it didn't matter if the door was left open, probably because it was often followed by something about not paying to heat the outside. I think children in Johnstown were not raised or reared, we were brought up. You were brought up right if you were seen and not heard, said yes ma'am and no sir, didn't backtalk, pushed your chair back under the table, didn't put your elbows on the table and so on. My sense is that being brought up right had as much or more to do with manners as with ethics and morals (e.g. being honest, loyal, etc). My grandfather (95 yrs old) is a linguistic relic--I'm 6th or 7th generation Johnstown by his line. I plan to go home next summer. Any suggestions about how to query him for a form on this? (He does put his elbows on the table and say "three mile down the road" and "I seen a guy the other day.")) -- Joan Livingston-Webber webber[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]unomaha.edu "What gets better is the precision with which we vex each other." -Clifford Geertz