Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:56:03 -0400


Subject: Re: icebox and upstate

A storyteller in the lower Hudson Valley has been having a bit of a debate

with another person on the definition of upstate in New York. He grew up in

Westcherster (I believe). That's the first county in New York State north of

New York City. To residents of New York City and Westchester/Putnam County,

where does upstate begin? Pick a town (or city) or other landmark. In terms

of the linguistic atlas data, I suspect that the increase of territory in the

commutershed of New York City has pushed the "line" north at least to

Poughkeepsie on the eastern bank of the Hudson River. West of the Hudson

River the "line" may be as close as Newburgh or even farther south.

well, to my mind, the lower hudson valley is not upstate--anything

south of albany (and not in the southern tier) is downstate. but

nobody asked us western new yorkers.

lynne, from newark, new york (NO! NOT NEW JERSEY!)