Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 19:01:47 EST
From: Shani Walker s.walker[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MSUACAD.MOREHEAD-ST.EDU
Subject: Re: offending idiot
First I would like to say that all this talk about offending terms is getting
on my last and final nerve...what is the big deal? The term "nigger" simply
means ignorance, and those who specialize in using this nerve are seldom seen
useful for anything else. Being an African-American female in this society has
made me come to realize and accept that you can not please everybody. We are
all adults here, so let's act like it. On to another subject...have you ever
heard of the term "twader"? My friends and I use this term in reference to
someone who babbles on and on about irrelevant facts. Have you heard this term
use before? If so, in this same reference?
Morehead State University
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 10:34:50 CST
From: salikoko mufwene mufw[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
In Message Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:56:23 -0700, Roger Vanderveen
rvander[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ichips.intel.com writes about frivolous changing of
"acceptable" names for non-whites.
I am afraid you have trivialized the offense in Chuck's note. As well
stated in David Muschell's reply, the offense derives in part from Chuck's
grandparents naming their dog a racial/racist epithet. Once posted on the
dam, not everybody new "Nigger" was used for a dog.
Besides at the time the
dog was named "Nigger," this term was not an accepted designation for Blacks
or African Americans. Do you recall any time in the history of the USA when
"Nigger" was an acceptable term for African Americans?
Sure. It's an acceptable term now, in many quarters. For myself, I do not and
would never use it, and cringe when I do hear it used. I will admit that it's
not acceptable now among the media and universities, but I know that if many
of the readers of this list went off-campus, they would find lots of people
using it, especially in the South. For some, there is a negative element, and
for others, it's simply the term they've used all they're lives. Who has the
right to sit in judgment?
I do not know that
African Americans would be offended today if you described them as "black"
(with or without a cap).
I don't get the "cap" reference. And how about negro?
While we might find it amusing that names for a
particular ethnic group keep changing (and I take no offense at this), the
particular incident at issue here is not so amusing (except perhaps in the
privacy of our homes).
So I can laugh at home, but not in public? Don't ask, don't tell?
I doubt that the reason the sign was removed had to
do with being politically correct. There is more to the act than some may
want to recognize.
Chuck has been wise enough to apologize. I, among the people who were
offended, accept the apology. But I find your trivialization of the issue
All right, then let me use another example having nothing to do with race:
idiot, moron, half-wit, mentally retarded, developmentally disabled, special,
mentally challenged. Nothing trivial, only individual words. See the
Roger Vanderveen Intel Corporation
(503) 696-4331 Hillsboro, OR