Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 13:55:18 -0700

From: Roger Vanderveen rvander[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ICHIPS.INTEL.COM

Subject: Re: offending idiot

Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 10:34:50 CST


In Message Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:56:23 -0700, Roger Vanderveen

rvander[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] writes about frivolous changing of

"acceptable" names for non-whites.

I am afraid you have trivialized the offense in Chuck's note. As well

stated in David Muschell's reply, the offense derives in part from Chuck's

grandparents naming their dog a racial/racist epithet. Once posted on the

dam, not everybody new "Nigger" was used for a dog.


Besides at the time the

dog was named "Nigger," this term was not an accepted designation for Blacks

or African Americans. Do you recall any time in the history of the USA when

"Nigger" was an acceptable term for African Americans?

Sure. It's an acceptable term now, in many quarters. For myself, I do not and

would never use it, and cringe when I do hear it used. I will admit that it's

not acceptable now among the media and universities, but I know that if many

of the readers of this list went off-campus, they would find lots of people

using it, especially in the South. For some, there is a negative element, and

for others, it's simply the term they've used all they're lives. Who has the

right to sit in judgment?

I do not know that

African Americans would be offended today if you described them as "black"

(with or without a cap).

I don't get the "cap" reference. And how about negro?

While we might find it amusing that names for a

particular ethnic group keep changing (and I take no offense at this), the

particular incident at issue here is not so amusing (except perhaps in the

privacy of our homes).

So I can laugh at home, but not in public? Don't ask, don't tell?

I doubt that the reason the sign was removed had to

do with being politically correct. There is more to the act than some may

want to recognize.

Chuck has been wise enough to apologize. I, among the people who were

offended, accept the apology. But I find your trivialization of the issue


All right, then let me use another example having nothing to do with race:

idiot, moron, half-wit, mentally retarded, developmentally disabled, special,

mentally challenged. Nothing trivial, only individual words. See the



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