Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 05:32:30 -0500 From: Ron Rabin Subject: Re: 'the' in place names (Kaye) I'm not sure the use of the definite article and its lack of use with Los Angeles freeway names is an example of *loss* of the article. This is my impression of the historical progression on name changes (I lived in California, first southern, then northern, from 1948 until 1967): When I grew up in L.A., the freeways (steadily increasing in number) were always called by their names, never their numbers, e.g., the Hollywood Freeway, the Ventura Freeway, the Bakersfield Freeway. The highways connecting cities in California, e.g., U.S. 99, did not have names and were referred to by number without the definite article, e.g., I would say, "I'll take 99 home," when I described the route home from school at Berkeley to my parents' home in L.A. It was only after I left California, and not that long ago, I noticed that my parents referred to the freeways in L.A. by number and with the definite article. I have trouble following their discussions since I don't know the freeways by number but by name. It would be useful to know when this change took place in order to attempt to correlate it with events. Is there anyone out there in L.A. who lived through the change? Ron Rabin rabinrl[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]