End of ADS-L Digest - 3 Nov 1994 to 4 Nov 1994 ********************************************** There are 24 messages totalling 599 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. "Native" Names 2. new york city and upstate (4) 3. "them" singulars (8) 4. Relics (2) 5. Boulder Dam 6. NADS Is Now Obscene 7. special issues of names 8. Algonquian et al. (3) 9. blinky, warsh-rags, and liketa 10. Kingsbury 11. blinky, warsh-rags, and liketa - cont'd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:53:56 CST From: "Donald M. Lance" Subject: Re: "Native" Names Thanks to Marquette, the names we use for the Missouri Indians (and once used for the river) were Algonquin forms, because Marquette asked his Peoria guides "Who are those people?" and "What is that river?" Of course the Illini weren't about to render answers in Siouan "dialects." 'Missouri' (i.e., variants leading up to this form) referred to 'people with canoes' and their river was the 'Pekitanoui', which meant 'Muddy Water' in Algonquin references; several variants related to 'Pekitanou' are found farther north in Algonquin territory, but Siouans such as the Otoes referred to the river with 'Nisoje' (contemporary form reported by Oto-Missouria elder, in interview). We have no records at all of what the Missouris called themselves or their river, but the Otoes called them 'Niutachi' = 'those who drown in the water' because of what happened to a large bunch of the Missouris when they were attacked by Sac and Fox (Algonquin-speaking) warriors. Even the name for the Otoes was given them by the Ioways. So sometimes whiteman's history does more than lay interpretations on words that mean 'the people'. Siouan people up in the Dakotas area also thought the Aise ([a ise] river flowed from its headwaters in Montana down to the Gulf of Mexico, with a tributary coming into it from the north where the Aise turned south above what is now St Louis. DMLance