Date:Sun, 23 May 1993 17:36:11 -0600

From: Dan Goodman dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU

Subject:"the former Yugoslavia"



Does anyone know where the term "the former Yugoslavia" comes from? By the

rules of the English language, it should be "former Yugoslavia".



Dan Goodman dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]staff.tc.umn.edu



Date:Sun, 23 May 1993 19:47:41 EDT

From: Arnold Zwicky zwicky[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]LING.OHIO-STATE.EDU

Subject:Re: "the former Yugoslavia"



"the former Yugoslavia" comes from the same place as

"the former Wilt Chamberlain" or "the former Miss Western"

or "the first Mrs. Gildersleeve" or "the one-time Dr. Jekyll"...



arnold



Date:Mon, 24 May 1993 13:48:13 -0800

From: Alan Kaye AKAYE[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]FULLERTON.EDU

Subject:Re: "the former Yugoslavia"



Answer is simple (I have not yet read the other messages): analogy to:

the former Soviet Union (semantic linkup with the Eastern Bloc...)

Alan Kaye

Ling. Dept.

CSU Fullerton

Fullerton, CA 92634"may24" 24 lines, 1085 characters

akaye[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]fullerton.edu



Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 19:11:13 -0600

From: Dan Goodman dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU

Subject: Re: "the former Yugoslavia"



On 24 May 1993 13:48:13 -0800, Alan Kaye wrote:



Answer is simple (I have not yet read the other messages): analogy to:

the former Soviet Union (semantic linkup with the Eastern Bloc...)



That seems likely, yes. I was hoping there might be some more intelligent

reason, I guess.



Dan Goodman dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]staff.tc.umn.edu



Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 18:39:36 -0800

From: Alan Kaye AKAYE[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]FULLERTON.EDU

Subject: Re: "the former Yugoslavia"



I have been thinking more re the above. Try:

"I would like to visit the former England."

Assume England is no more.

This does not work for me nor does:

"I would like to visit former England."

I have to circumlocute and say something like:

"I would like to visit the country previously (or formerly) known as England."

(There are other paraphrases, of course.)

Now, link this up with the free variation in:

Sudan

The Sudan,

etc.

I think I have got the making of a paper. Comments welcome!



Alan Kaye, Ling. Dept., CSU, Fullerton, CA 92634



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 07:15:59 -0700

From: "Joseph B. Monda" monda[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SEATTLEU.EDU

Subject: marbles



In my youth in Central Washington State, 50+ years ago, we played "migs,"

I think a generic name for "marbles." We had "shooters" --favorite

marbles famed for their accuracy, snazziness, or what-have-you. The

top-of-the-line shooter was an agate, mad out of just that. Then there

were "steelies," large ballbearings that could shatter glass.



What I want to know is whethter the term "migs" was widespread. I have

seen "taws" as a term for marbles, but only in a literary context. "Migs"

I've heard, but never seen.



This was set off by a crossword puzzle's request that I fill in some

squares with a word for marble.



Does anyone play marbles anymore? For us it was one of the first signs of

spring. As soon as enough snow left for us to draw a circle and a line in

the dirt, we were off. I don't recall how seasonal the game was.



Joe Monda



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 08:27:00 MST

From: BBOLING%UNMB.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu

Subject: Re: "the former Yugoslavia"



I wonder whether it may be the case that mutually exclusive alterna-

tives are marked as definite in English: THE one vs. THE other, THE former

vs. THE present, THE present vs. THE future, THE Yugoslavia that exists now

and has replaced THE Yugoslavia that formerly existed, etc. This is a

phenomenon quite separate from Sudan vs. The Sudan, Ukraine vs. The Ukraine,

etc.

Bruce D. Boling

University of New Mexico



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 09:19:00 EDT

From: "Dennis.Preston" 22709MGR%MSU.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu

Subject: Re: "the former Yugoslavia"



When I assume that England is no more (I can feel Anglophiles shuddering!), I

have no difficulty at all with sentences like "I would like to visit the

former England." and I assume they refer to such longer paraphrases as "the

country which used to be England."

It is not at all clear to me, by the way, that The Sudan and Sudan are in

'free variation' (but I suppose nothing ever seems to be in free variation to

a sociolinguist). LINGUIST-L had a pretty full discussion of these + and -

article forms a few months ago.

Dennis Preston

22709mgr[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]msu.bitnet



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 10:58:00 EDT

From: Cathy Ball CBALL%GUVAX.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu

Subject: Re: "the former Yugoslavia"



A quick (overly hasty) search of the Brown Corpus suggests that

'the former' + proper name was formerly most common with women's maiden

names, e.g.:



A17 0170 Mrs& Chase is the former {Miss Mary Mullenax}.



A17 0580 Scarsdale, N&Y&. Mrs& Kelsey is the former {Miss

A17 0590 Ann Rickenbaugh}.



A17 1340 Howard and his bride, the former Miss Judith Ellen Gay, who were



A18 1570 is the former Miss Stella Hayward. Mr& Wall is a student



A30 1260 Samuel Moody Haskins /3,. She is the former Judy Chapman,



If personal names are the basis for the extension to names of countries,

perhaps it is those country names that are closest to the prosodic patterns

of personal names that sound most natural right now, hence



the former Judy Chapman ... the former Soviet Union ... the former Yogoslavia

but ??the former England



However, if this hypothesis is correct, then once 'the former' with country

names is sufficiently established, the paradigm should be open to all country

names ...



-- Cathy Ball (Georgetown)



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 16:29:00 EDT

From: "Dennis.Preston" 22709MGR%MSU.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu

Subject: marbles



In my southern Indiana marble-shooting days (late 40's early 50's) 'taw' was

not a word for marbles in general. A 'taw' was a 'shooter,' more specifically

your favorite shooter. (Therefore, to 'lose your taw' was extended to mean a

loss of any ability or key to such ability.)

Dennis Preston

22709mgr[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]msu.bitnet



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 10:55:00 CST

From: Beth Lee Simon BLSIMON[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MACC.WISC.EDU

Subject: migs and other marbles



Joe,

I'll get back to you re regionality (and socio) of *migs*. *Taw*

by the way, is not only literary, although until I came to the

dictionary of american regional english i thought it was.



Did you have a *king* or *queen* in your marble collection?

beth simon

at the dictionary of american regional english



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 12:36:00 CST

From: Luanne von Schneidemesser LUANNEVONS[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MACC.WISC.EDU

Subject: migs



Concerning mig: DARE has quotations going back to the

1890's for migs and miggles. There are also the less common

forms migget, miglet, migalo, and miggie or miggey. These are

usually small or inexpensive marbles, frequently made of clay. The

terms can also be used to mean a type of marble game. DARE's 85

informants responding with these terms are chiefly in the North

and West, especially in the New York-Mass area, and yes, 8

informants from the state of Washington.

A similar term, mib, also meb, mibbie, mibble, mibsie, and

mimb, same meanings, goes back to 1883. DARE shows the 60

informants using mib and variants to be chiefly in the North and

North Midland, especially in the Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan

area.

Luanne von Schneidemesser

Dictionary of American Regional English

6129 H.C. White, UW-Madison, 53706

(608)263-2748



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 16:12:20 -0500

From: Natalie Maynor maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU

Subject: Homophone List



This was forwarded to me as being of possible interest for ADS-L. Since

it was originally posted to a usenet group, I'm forwarding it to ADS-L

without asking permission. (My philosophy is that anything on usenet

can be freely forwarded.) Natalie



From: antworth[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]dallas.sil.org

Newsgroups: comp.ai.nat-lang,comp.speech

Subject: homophones list

Date: 10 May 93 12:01:32 CST

Reply-To: evan.antworth[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]sil.org

Organization: Summer Institute of Linguistics, Dallas Center



I have a list of homophones in General Americal English in this format:



aisle, I'll, isle

ale, ail

all, awl

allowed, aloud

altar, alter

alter, altar



I would like to eventually put it on an archive somehwere, but first

would like to get some feedback on it: additions, typo corrections, etc.

The file is about 20K which seems a bit big to post on this list. If you

are interested and would give me feedback, send me an email message and

I will email the list to you.



Evan Antworth

evan.antworth[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]sil.org



From: antworth[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]dallas.sil.org

Newsgroups: comp.ai.nat-lang,comp.speech

Subject: updated homophones list

Date: 19 May 93 09:03:20 CST

Reply-To: evan.antworth[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]sil.org

Organization: Summer Institute of Linguistics, Dallas Center



An updated version of the list of homophones in General American English

mentioned last week in this newsgroup is now available by anonymous FTP from:



machine name: svr-ftp.eng.cam.ac.uk

directory: comp.speech/data

file name: homophones-1.01.txt



Thanks to Tony Robinson for making it available in this way.



If you can't get the list by FTP, I will email it to you upon request.



Evan.Antworth[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]sil.org





Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 14:14:51 -0700

From: "Joseph B. Monda" monda[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SEATTLEU.EDU

Subject: Re: migs and other marbles



On Wed, 26 May 1993, Beth Lee Simon wrote:



Joe,

I'll get back to you re regionality (and socio) of *migs*. *Taw*

by the way, is not only literary, although until I came to the

dictionary of american regional english i thought it was.





Did anyone ever hear of "mibs" for marbles?



Did you have a *king* or *queen* in your marble collection?



No, we had "shooters," and "aggies."

Joe MOnda



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 14:40:00 CST

From: Cynthia Bernstein BERN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU

Subject: Re: "the former Yugoslavia"



Would it be helpful to compare

She is Miss America / She is the former Miss America

to the Yugoslavia example?

Cindy Bernstein



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 21:29:07 EST

From: Boyd Davis FEN00BHD[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU

Subject: Re: marbles



Just across the river from Dennis (in Louisville/area), same time period,

I remember boys talking about marbles, with a similar sense for taw. Also

aggie and shooter. We were out in the country until fifth grade, and I

don't remember any of us girls ever doing anything much with marbles.

Jump-rope rhymes a-plenty, but no marbles. Boyd Davis



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 16:03:11 EDT

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Date: Wed, 26 May 93 15:33:32 EDT

From: Alphonse Vinh VINH[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu

Subject: Tidewater dialect

To: American Dialects L-Serv ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA.CCUGA.EDU



I would look like to hear directly from anyone who has a strong interest in

the historical development of the Tidewater Virginia dialect and Coastal

Carolina dialects. I have a friend who is a retired scholar of Southern

literature who would like to collaborate on a book concerning this topic with a

Southern linguist...He has made notable contributions to the study of Southern

literature as well as to the study of the language of the South but needs

someone in the "know" concerning contemporary linguistics.



I am also personally interested in those particular dialects and would enjoy

getting recommendations for readings on the matter. I have found a book

published as early as 1722 which already discusses Virginia speech.



Alphonse Vinh

Yale University

Vinh[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]Yalevm



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 13:42:32 -0800

From: Alan Kaye AKAYE[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]FULLERTON.EDU

Subject: Re: "the former Yugoslavia"



No one around here can say (does say):

I would like to visit the former England,

...the former Scotland,

...the former Germany,

...the former Egypt,



yet we all accept:



...the former Sudan (not *the former The Sudan)

...the former Yugoslavia (etc.)

...the former United Arab Emirates

...Republic of South Africa

...the former East Germany

(forgot to type the former in RSA, please add)



or do we?



Can someone out there send me the transcript of all this which aired on

LINGUIST a few months back? (Was it on this exact point?)

Thanks.

Alan Kaye, CSU, Fullerton



Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 09:07:00 EDT

From: Cathy Ball CBALL%GUVAX.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu

Subject: Re: the former Yugoslavia (LINGUIST excerpts)



In response to Alan Kaye's suggestion/request:



Can someone out there send me the transcript of all this which aired on

LINGUIST a few months back? (Was it on this exact point?)

Thanks.

Alan Kaye, CSU, Fullerton



Here are relevant excerpts from LINGUIST, which arose in the course of

a more general discussion of articles + names. Not very enlightening,

though.



-- Cathy Ball (Georgetown)

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 11:41:38 EST

From: John.M.Lawler[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]um.cc.umich.edu

Subject: Articles and Names



Yet another bean for the pot...



Sunday morning I encountered the following phrase on NPR:

"...warships entering the territorial waters of the former

Yugoslavia..."



The crypto-perfective adjective "former" obviously seemed to

call for an article to form a definite NP. This is probably

akin to the phenomenon in "The Lowlands", "The Fenlands",

and "The Netherlands". More generally, it seems to apply to

any place name with more than one word (perceived to be) in

it. Hence "The Yucatan (Peninsula)", "The Yukon (Territory)",

etc.



Is there a term referring to the gradual withering of such

head nouns? They seem to decay into traces, leaving behind

only the article that once introduced the full phrase.

How about Cheshire nouns?



-John Lawler

University of Michigan



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Subject: 3.947 Articles



Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 10:36:51 -0500 (EST)

From: cowan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uunet.UU.NET (John Cowan)

Subject: the former Yugoslavia



There's a Thurber cartoon, undoubtedly once published in the New Yorker ,

which shows a naked woman kneeling atop a bookcase. At the foot of the

bookcase is a small group of people; one of them (a man) is saying,

"That's my first wife up there, and this is the present Mrs. Harris."

[Emphasis in original.]



I would have no difficulty in labeling the woman atop the bookcase as

"the former Mrs. Harris". Likewise, we can have "the former Gold Coast"

and "the former Yugoslavia". Specifically, Bosnia is not part of Yugoslavia,

but it is part of the former Yugoslavia.



--

John Cowan cowan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!cbmvax!snark!cowan

e'osai ko sarji la lojban.



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Subject: 3.960 Last Posting: Handel, Former



Date: 02 Dec 1992 15:51:34 -0400 (EDT)

From: no chive SDFNCR[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ritvax.isc.rit.edu

Subject: Re: 3.947 Articles



1. My point about "Messiah" is that even without "Handel's" before it

musicians, at least Handel specialists, don't use the article with it.

We're singing "Messiah" next year...



2. With regard to locutions like "The former Yugoslavia," virtually

*any* proper noun can be used with an article if it is modified -- e.g.,

"That's not the Mary I used to know."

Susan Fischer



From: Ivan A Derzhanski iad[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk

5)

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 14:24:53 GMT

Subject: 3.947 the former Yugoslavia



Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 10:36:51 -0500 (EST)

From: cowan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uunet.UU.NET (John Cowan)



"That's my first wife up there, and this is the present Mrs. Harris."



I would have no difficulty in labeling the woman atop the bookcase as

"the former Mrs. Harris".



It seems to me that the expression "the former Mrs Harris" is ambiguous.

It may refer to an entity existing in the present world (which was

Mrs Harris once but isn't any more) or an entity existing in a world

associated with a time before now (which is Mrs Harris in that world).



"The present Mrs Harris is a better housewife than the former Mrs Harris."

I can get two readings for this, involving the housekeeping skills of

the former Mrs Harris as demonstrated while she was married to Mr Harris

or as demonstrated now (and they may have gone up or down after the divorce).



Likewise, we can have "the former Gold Coast" and "the former Yugoslavia".



By the first reading, "the former Yugoslavia" means the part of the

surface of the planet that used to be Yugoslavia once. Clearly it

can't have such a thing as territorial waters, because it is not a state.



By the second reading, "the former Yugoslavia" is a state, and "the

territorial waters of the former Yugoslavia" means the same thing as

"the former territorial waters of Yugoslavia". The waters are there,

only it is not clear why it should matter if someone enters them now.



I generally eschew such expressions as "the ex-USSR" or "the former

Yugoslavia". No one says "the ex-Byzantium" or "the former Assyria",

which would make just as much (or just as little) sense.



`Haud yer wheesht! Come oot o the man an gie him peace.' (The Glasgow Gospel)

Ivan A Derzhanski (iad[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)

* Centre for Cognitive Science, 2 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh EH8 9LW, UK

* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK





Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 07:04:44 CDT

From: Salikoko Mufwene mufw[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU



Can you please reveal your friend's name and could you especially provide

more information about the 1722 book on Virginia speech? I am especially

interested in the latter, as it overlaps with part of my research on creole

genesis. I hope you will help in being more informative.

Salikoko Mufwene

University of Chicago

Dept. of Linguistics

1010 East 59th St.

Chicago, IL 60637

S-MUFWENE[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UCHICAGO.EDU



Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 13:15:06 EDT

From: Alphonse Vinh VINH%YALEVM.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu



The earliest references to Virginia speech can be found in two books by

Reverend Hugh Jones. He wrote the first grammar book in America entitled, _An

Accidence to the English Tongue_(1724). A companion book is his important

history of colonial Virginia, _The Present State of Virginia_(1724).



I have found some names of scholars who might be possible collaborators for

this prospective book on the origins of Tidewater Southern English. As his

assistant I left it as my prerogative to be discrete until I could screen

candidates. Thank you for your interest.



Alphonse Vinh (Yale University)



Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 15:22:42 EDT

From: Ellen Johnson ATLAS[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu

Subject: Re: the former Yugoslavia (LINGUIST excerpts)



As I was browsing through an issue of Atlanta magazine this morning in my

Dr.'s office, I found an article about a Russian language newspaper being

published in Atlanta by Igor Kopmar, who also delivers Domino's Pizza.

One of the main features of the paper is a section entitled

News from the Former

re. of course the USSR. I think one reason people say "the former USSR"

and not "the former Babylon", etc. is that they don't want to be corrected by

someone reminding them that the USSR no longer exists. Indeed, it would seem

to be incorrect to refer to something currently happening in Russia, the

Ukraine, Georgia, and so on as going on in the USSR (though this is fine for

historical reference), and it is much easier to say "the former USSR" than

to enumerate the current republics.

By the way, I have no problem with "the former England", given the proper

context. Imagine that it not only no longer exists, but has been split up

into a myriad of independent states (shires?). Ellen Johnson atlas[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga



Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 17:16:00 EDT

From: J J Markin MARKIN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU

Subject: Re: the former Yugoslavia (LINGUIST excerpts)



By the way, I have no problem with "the former England", given the proper

contest. Imagine that it not only no longer exists, but has been split up



Nor have I problems with "the former England" -- but *would* have a problem

with an earlier example sombody mentioned, "the former Byzantium", at least

out of context -- Byzantium still exists, it just has a new name. Now, if

you wanted to say "Constantinopolis, the former Byzantium", sounds fine to

me. (Just my tuppence.)



J Markin [AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu



Date: Sun, 30 May 1993 17:03:16 CDT

From: "Donald M. Lance" ENGDL%MIZZOU1.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu

Subject: The Former...



The debate over 'the former Yugoslavia,' 'the former England,' etc. assumes

you guys are dealing with a problem that is only grammatical. It's

encyclopedic/referential as much as grammatical. Why don't we see "the

former East Bloc" very often? The now-real East Bloc has common attributes

that we are aware of -- industrial output, standard of living, pollution,

struggles with capitalistic economy -- so we aren't as likely to use 'former'

as we are when what held the "former" together was some sort of political

charter that set up an identifiable political entity. And when we say

"the former ..." we must use the cataphoric _the_ (see Halliday, Cohesion

in English) for grammatical reasons. 'The Sudan' is a matter of a name with

historical precedents in its form. The Levant. El Panama. La Havana.

DMLance, U of MO



Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 11:34:36 +0501

From: Robert Howren howren[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]GIBBS.OIT.UNC.EDU

Subject: Re: your mail



In response the A. Vinh's inquiry about Southern linguists interested in

the speech of Tidewater Va and the Carolina Coast: Walt Wolfram, though

not a "Southern" linguist, is now at NC State U in Raleigh (Dept. of

English) and is currently engaged in research on the dialect of the NC

Outer Banks. You might also be interested in looking at my decades-old

AMERICAN SPEECH paper "The Speech of Ocracoke, NC" (early '60s; I don't have

the reference handy). As far as I know, nothing's been done on the Outer

Banks dialect since then until Wolfram's present research. -- Bob Howren



Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 13:00:42 PDT

From: Tom Veatch veatch[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ANDREA.STANFORD.EDU

Subject: outer banks



Labov Yaeger and Steiner 1972 includes work on the vowels of four

speakers from Arapahoe on the Outer Banks. Figures 4-14a-d. All the

gliding vowels glide up and front! That is BOTH iy and uw (as in

beet, boot) BOTH ay and aw (bite, bout), BOTH ey and ow (bait, boat)!

see Figures 4-15, 4-16. The reference is:



Labov, William; Yaeger, Malcah; Steiner, Richard. 1972. A

Quantitative Study of Sound Change in Progress. NSF GS-3287.

Philadelphia: U.S. Regional Survey, Linguistics Laboratory,

University of Pennsylvania.



From a trip I once took to Okracoke, it seemed like the local vowels

are of the next century. Big chain shifts.



Tom Veatch



Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 18:47:00 EDT

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