Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 08:07:00 EST From: "Dennis.Preston" <22709MGR[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MSU.EDU> Subject: Iowa dialects and loose meat Loose meat sandwiches (and 'Maidrites) were unknown by those terms in the Louisville area in the 40's and 50's. When I visited Southern Illinois (regularly) as a boy and young man, I ate 'Maidrites' (never loose meat sandwiches) in the area around Christopher, Benton, West City, etc... In Louisville these were 'sloppy joes' and were made with a variety of catsup-flavored sauces and ground beef. Imagine my horror to discover that these abominations were called Bar-B-Cue (or whatever spelling you like) sandwiches in Madison when I moved there to do my Ph.D. work in the early 60's. I have encountered this sad use of the term Bar-B-Cue in lots of northern areas (Chicago, Milwaukee, Buffalo, Detroit), although, of course, never in African-American communities, where the term Bar-B-Cue is reserved for the sense of slow-cooked meat. (I assume the use of northern Bar-B-Cue to simply mean 'grill' is already well-known to readers of this list. It has even permeated the New South, where I was invited to a Bar-B-Cue recently and found only grilled items, although the sense of the term for 'event' rather than foodstuffs has always been a little confusing. Interestingly enough, these regional differences are not recorded in DARE, although I reckon the files up in false barbecue land have some info.) Dennis (clearly the [dInIs] Dennis) Preston <22709mgr[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]> changing (sadly) to