Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 13:36:06 -0700 From: Rudy Troike Subject: Re: /lIngwIstIks/ Tim-- As I suggested in my note last night, the students would of course have trouble hearing a difference between [iy] and [I] before the velar, since there would be no phonemic difference. With my own /)/:/a/ phonemic contrast (here /)/ = "open o"), I am always perceptually bothered by the phonetic wanderings of those who don't. I often find similar reactions to your students in the transcription of words like and , where there is similarly no contrast, and the phonetic realization of the archi- phoneme is free to wander around. Rudy Troike rtroike[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]