End of ADS-L Digest - 2 Mar 1994 to 3 Mar 1994 ********************************************** There are 5 messages totalling 93 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Something old, something new (2) 2. local locality pronunciations 3. local locality pronunciation 4. bad hair day ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 01:05:18 CST From: "Donald M. Lance" Subject: Re: Something old, something new Since posting the [ku p[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ng] info I've off and on wondered how that nasal got there. I wonder what old British dictionaries have. I don't have time (or inclination) at the moment to dig further. Maybe someone else will have a response to Gwyn's question. In Tom Murray's study of St. Louis speech he reports the following interesting data: informal midformal formal % n % n % n [u] in due, upper class 77 236 55 161 42 138 news, etc. middle " 97 294 90 269 81 242 lower " 100 314 100 351 100 301 [u] in coupon upper class 65 198 49 152 34 101 middle " 74 228 62 169 56 160 lower " 81 238 74 227 71 212 These data suggest that these items are not in the same set. I recall as a teenager having conversations about whether 'coupon' should be said with [u] or [yu]. The question also came up within the family regarding the term 'coupe' for a type of car body, the latter having two questions, the [u] / [yu] and the final -e. But I don't recall any debate in our family over the vowel in 'due' etc. I had some high school teachers from North Midland areas (Dayton, Wash DC) and thought their [u] pronunciation might be better, so I consciously worked on changing several of the words in that set*and managed to get the whole set changed. For some reason in the past few years (after age 55) I've played with recovering the earlier pronunciations. These are things in my awareness; I can't swear to which pronunciations I used 100% of the time between age 16 and 55. *("That set" was 'due' 'new' etc, but not necessarily 'coupon' and 'coupe'; I don't recall what whether I included the latter in "that set") DMLance