Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:31:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Semantic distinc. betw. "crick" and "creek"?

Greg, I didn't misunderstand you and didn't think you were suggesting only
poorly educated people would make the distinction. But let me describe
where I hear the distinction explained. In a class I teach on Language and
literacy, one section of the course deals with dialect. When students are
talking about differences they have noted in their own experience, someone
inevitably brings up the pronunciation of creek/crick. When I ask if there
is any difference between the meaning of the 2 pronunciations, about 1/3 of
the class, normally those who come from rural areas, not the difference in
size between the larger creek and smaller crick. They normally not the
difference with surprise that everyone doesn't know it.

At 11:43 PM 3/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
At 03:26 PM 3/2/98 -0500, "Patrick L. Courts" courts[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AIT.FREDONIA.EDU
Greg, Most of the people whom I know to distinguish between "crick" and
"creek" are actually quite well educated.

So gosh, if the distinction is well established, how did DARE miss it? The
original posting said DARE and Joan Hall have no documentation on the
distinction. If your sense is that well educated folks make the distinction,
and it doesn't seem to show up in the historical record (DARE, OED), could
it be a case of just the kind of "folk semantics" (i.e., the rationalizing
creation of distinctions between two o

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1. Zori redux [long] (2)
2. Semantic distinc. betw. "crick" and "creek"? (9)
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4. Spelling Bee (minor correction)
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6. A new use of Ms? (2)
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:26:10 -0500
From: Gregory {Greg} Downing downingg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]IS2.NYU.EDU
Subject: Re: Zori redux [long]

At 11:23 AM 3/1/98 -1000, Norman Roberts nroberts[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]HAWAII.EDU wrote:
About the spring of 1961 I first heard the term "go aheads" applied. The
term made wonderful sense, but I never used it. "Flip flops" came much
later, probably during the seventies.

Living in southern Michigan as a child till I moved out of the US in Dec.
1971, I can attest to "thong sandals" and "flip-flops" as the only terms I
heard used in that locale for the beach/poolside footwear in question. I'm
not sure how far back those terms go before 1971 in that part of the
country, but they certainly go back to at least the late 60s. "Zoris" or
"Go-aheads"? -- As they say in New York: Fuhgedduhboudit. Never heard those
terms till this discussion, though I must admit to not hanging out on
beaches much since the early 70s, certainly not with beach-specific apparel.

Greg Downing/NYU, at greg.downing[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] or downingg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]