Date:    Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:34:31 -0500
<br>From:    Larry Horn  laurence.horn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALE.EDU 
<br>Subject: Re: standardization of non-standard forms
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<br>At 6:33 PM -0500 3/14/98, Beverly Flanigan wrote (re "so don't I"):
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<br> Thank you, Larry and Frank, for clearing up a great mystery!  As I think
<br> about it, the structure seems similar to the use of reverse form in tags:
<br> "It's a nice day, isn't it?".  This reversal is very hard for some second
<br> language learners of English to master, esp. when the base sentence is
<br> negative and the tag positive: "He didn't do it, did he?" which is
<br> answered: "Yes" [=he didn't].  One of my Japanese students learned to add a
<br> full sentence after every such affirmative, because he knew we'd be
<br> confused otherwise.  "So don't I" seems to be related also to the
<br> rhetorical affirmative "Don't I though?" after something like "You look
<br> very happy."  I'm curious now about what follows a negative:  "The Colts
<br> don't want this one.  So do the Pats [=not want it].  Not credib
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<br>I have my own seminar company, and go to American employers to do Business
<br>English (grammar), and Business Writing seminars. I've noticed that many
<br>foreign-born employees like Filipinos, Nigerians, Pakistanis, Bengalis,
<br>Indians, have a better concept of English grammar than do many of the American
<br>college graduate attendees. It's the Americans who don't know the difference
<br>between it's and its, whose and who's, and even there/their/they're.Even
<br>graduates of the best graduates schools cannot write a simple correct business
<br>letter or memo. I had a Harvard MBA in a seminar last week who confessed that
<br>he had never understood the difference between who's and whose, so he always
<br>just put who's.
<br>   I have a collection of letters that people have sent me. I just got a fax
<br>yesterday from someone at Merrill Lynch. A man applying for a $55,000 job sent
<br>in his resume and in his covering letter he wrote: "I enclose my resume for
<br>you to overlook." They had scribbled on the letter: "We did as he instructed.
<br>We overlooked his resume." Other examples: We hired 2 new salesmen because we
<br>were so underhanded. I can't advise you about this so use your own
<br>discrepancy.
<br>   A few weeks ago I did a full-day writing seminar at a Japanese bank here in
<br>NYC. The manager (Japanese - whose English was superb) had a large collection
<br>of letters written by Americans, and had circled all the errors (typos, errors
<br>in word usage, punctuation, unclear wording) in red. "How can they send such
<br>letters?" he asked, "This would never be done in Japan. It would bring shame
<br>on the company."
<br>    About my speech, I go to various business groups (Rotary, etc.) and
<br>associations as a humorous after-dinner speaker, and go through a routine of
<br>lawyer-talk, government babbelgab, cop talk (last night on TV there was a live
<br>crime scene with a dead body lying on the sidewalk, and the cop referred to
<br>the body as the "alleged" victim.) academiarhea, psychobabble, politically
<br>correct nonsense, and the audience laughs and nods their heads because they
<br>see the problem at their jobs. So, that's what I'm about. Carol Andrus
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