Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:50:52 -0700 From: Peter McGraw Subject: Re: Maps On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Daniel S Goodman wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, William A. Kretzschmar, Jr. wrote: > > > I am not aware of any recent attempts to draw a New York City dialect > > area. Carver's 1987 *American Regional Dialects* (with DARE evidence from > > the 70s) doesn't do it, but does mention Metro New York in several places. > > Labov has treated New York as a dialect in his work on modern urban sound > > change (his *Principles of Linguistic Change*, Blackwell 1994, will give > > pretty comprehensive references). Aside from those two, studies I know > > come from before the 1960s. > Thank you. I have the Carver book, and will look for the Labov book. > > I suspect there are people in the field who would be happy to investigate > my question if I could provide the funding.... > > > Whether or not Bayonne, NJ, belongs to a putative NYC dialect or not > > seems to me to ask for sharp boundaries where none are to be expected. > > The entire NYC-Philadelphia corridor seems to be pretty heavily populated > > with people who work in either NYC or Philadelphia, so one might expect > > heavy influences from the big cities throughout the region (of course > > more influences the closer one is to either city). > > Understood. I grew up on or near what should, in theory, be the western > boundary between the Hudson Valley and Upstate New York dialects. I've > never been able to hear the difference. > > Dan Goodman dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] > On the other hand... I don't know whether Bayonne is some kind of linguistic island or not. (I was only there once, and never left the car. What was clear even from inside the car was a heavy Italian and I think also Irish presence.) But I do know that on a drive from Maplewood, NJ, (where I lived at the time) to Cape May, I went into a restaurant in some town along the way, and realized that I had left the greater New York dialect area behind. The difference was dramatic. Unfortunately I don't remember what town it was. Peter McGraw Linfield College McMinnville, OR