Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:50:52 -0700


Subject: Re: Maps

On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Daniel S Goodman wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, William A. Kretzschmar, Jr. wrote:

I am not aware of any recent attempts to draw a New York City dialect

area. Carver's 1987 *American Regional Dialects* (with DARE evidence from

the 70s) doesn't do it, but does mention Metro New York in several places.

Labov has treated New York as a dialect in his work on modern urban sound

change (his *Principles of Linguistic Change*, Blackwell 1994, will give

pretty comprehensive references). Aside from those two, studies I know

come from before the 1960s.

Thank you. I have the Carver book, and will look for the Labov book.

I suspect there are people in the field who would be happy to investigate

my question if I could provide the funding....

Whether or not Bayonne, NJ, belongs to a putative NYC dialect or not

seems to me to ask for sharp boundaries where none are to be expected.

The entire NYC-Philadelphia corridor seems to be pretty heavily populated

with people who work in either NYC or Philadelphia, so one might expect

heavy influences from the big cities throughout the region (of course

more influences the closer one is to either city).

Understood. I grew up on or near what should, in theory, be the western

boundary between the Hudson Valley and Upstate New York dialects. I've

never been able to hear the difference.

Dan Goodman dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]

On the other hand...

I don't know whether Bayonne is some kind of linguistic island or not. (I

was only there once, and never left the car. What was clear even from

inside the car was a heavy Italian and I think also Irish presence.) But I

do know that on a drive from Maplewood, NJ, (where I lived at the time) to

Cape May, I went into a restaurant in some town along the way, and

realized that I had left the greater New York dialect area behind. The

difference was dramatic. Unfortunately I don't remember what town it was.

Peter McGraw

Linfield College

McMinnville, OR