Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:25:18 CST From: salikoko mufwene Subject: AAVE/BEV/EBONICS/BAE AND WHAT NOT In Message Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:05:09 -0400, TERRY IRONS writes: >I cannot, nor would I dare, claim expertise in Black English. For what I >have observed and have read cannot get at competence. Yet what I have >observed leads me to the conclusion that Black English is a distinct >language, Try analyzing some white nonstandard varieties of English within the theoretical framework you used for AAVE/BAE's time reference system and I dare you to draw the same conclusion. I am amused by the fact that neither you nor Ditra invoke what the average speaker of AAVE/BAE thinks they speak. Just think why a term as appealing as "Ebonics" has not become popular within the African American population most closely connected with the variety (since 1975!), in contrast with, for instance, "African American." Its usage is still confined to a segment of the elite, especially the Afrocentrists. Sali. *********************************************************************** Salikoko S. Mufwene University of Chicago Dept. of Linguistics 1010 East 59th Street Chicago, IL 60637 s-mufwene[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] 312-702-8531; fax: 312-702-9861