Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:39:16 -0400 From: "(Dale F. Coye)" Subject: Re: Bade, long and short It is extremely controversial in the theatre. In every Shks production I= 've been involved with there is a lengthy discussion on how this word should = be pronounced. I address this controversy in my forthcoming book "Pronounci= ng Shakespeare's Words: A Guide from A to Zounds" (another controversial wor= d)- look for it from Greenwood in 1998. Here's an excerpt, but I would only = add to what Jesse said, that some orthoepists in the late 18th century recommended the long A, and Wyld believed that it was lengthened in Early= Mod Eng. from the short OE form, as was spake and (he says) sate, though I'm = not convinced that either sat or bade were lengthened then-- it could be due = to the flexible orthography of the period. When you look at words that are definitely short, they also show up with e on the end from time to time. The excerpt is from a section on spelling pronunciations: The Survey ref= ers to a fairly random sample of Shk professors in the US, CN, and the UK I conducted for this book. Bade was once a much more commonly used word than it is today and was pronounced =A6bad=A6. In most dictionaries in the early part of the twen= tieth century this was the only pronunciation given, but at that time, as peopl= e became increasingly literate and the pronunciation faded from the collect= ive memory, =A6bayd=A6, based on spelling and in existence for at least a cen= tury, rapidly gained ground. The Survey shows that in the United States =A6bay= d=A6 is rarely used by those professors born before 1940, but is preferred by hal= f of those born after that date. In keeping with this change among educated speakers, about twenty years ago dictionaries began to include =A6bayd=A6 alongside =A6bad=A6, it being now deemed an acceptable standard pronuncia= tion, though some traditionalists would disagree.=20 (In fact traditionalists froth at the mouth when they hear it rhyming wit= h MADE). I also did an email survey of Princeton grad students and found th= at about 90% rhyme it with MADE from the US and Canada). Dale Coye Princeton NJ