Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:26:22 -0800 From: THOMAS CLARK Subject: Re: whoop Rudy has a very good point about using /ey, iy, ow, ew/ Mine: (Montana, E. Washington) AND HW for /hw/, because I have it in only one learned place: 1. war /huwp/ 2. /huwp/ it up, tonight 3. gave it a /huwp/ and a holler 4. /hwuping/ cough (I had it too), which means my caretakers used /hw/, and I learned that pronunciation from her (mom) or them (family members who told me I had it at a young age) Cheers, tlc[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Rudy Troike wrote: > An intriguing question, and surprising to reflect on. I don't have the > /hw/ : /w/ contrast [NB: it's never been /wh/ in history; that's spelling], > so the delabialization is interesting to find alternating with the /w/: > > 1. war whoop: /huwp/ > > 2. whoop it up: /wUp/, perhaps varying with /wuwp/ > > 3. gave a whoop: /huwp/ & a holler > > 4. whooping cough: /huwp/ (I had it.) > > [NB2: Especially amongst them of us who are interested in comparing varieties, > it is much more useful to adopt the /iy/, /ey/, /uw/, /ow/ representation of > the nuclei (as happily, Akmajian, Demers, and Harnish do in their linguistics > text from MIT, of all places). I can't imagine describing the Great Vowel > Shift without it.] > > Tip-O-Tex Troike\\\\\ > > [rtroike[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]] >