Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:56:08 -0600 From: Joan Livingston-Webber Subject: Re: 2pl I'm catching up on backlog so this thread may have gone by the by already. But, in any case, guys does show up in non-direct address: "What're those guys doing?" but I think it may need the demonstrative to refer to a mixed group. I have always used "guys"--originally as "youns guys" now as "you guys" as do my daughters. What is different from "man" is that "man" was always a school form, while schools work to erdicate "guys." Guess who's winning. The only people I've heard argue that "you guys" is masculine only are people overly schooled. I've lived in PA, ND, IN, IL, and NE. I say "you all" when I need to differentiate sg and pl in a formal setting. ("You all" on the first day of class to students. "You guys" on the last day.) -- Joan Livingston-Webber webber[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] "What gets better is the precision with which we vex each other." -Clifford Geertz