Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 11:23:21 -0500 From: ALICE FABER Subject: You guys I grew up in a NY suburb evenly divided demographically into long time residents, people who moved out from NYC, and people who moved in from the Midwest (or elsewhere) to take jobs in NYC. Because of the different dialects represented, language variation was a common recess topic of discussion and/or mockery. Alongside "Which is right, soda or pop?" and "Say chocolate. Eeew, is THAT how you say it?" we also had disagreements about the status of "You guys". Some of my female friends (I'd like to say it was the ones who said POP instead of SODA, but I honestly don't remember.) were grievously offended at uses of "you guys" addressing an all-female group. Others of us (me included) were quite comfortable with this generic usage. This was c. 25 years ago. Despite my parents' NYC background, I didn't encounter "youse" or variants thereof until the summer before I entered college, when I had a job in the city. Of course, my parents claim they moved to Westchester so I WOULDN'T grow up talking like that! Alice Faber