Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 22:16:58 -0600 From: mftcf[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU Subject: Re: consonantal /r/ On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, Rudy Troike wrote: > It is curious, when you think about the extensive Scottish, Scotch- > Irish, and Irish immigration to various parts of the Eastern States at > various times (and in the 1840s, in massive numbers), not to find equally > extensive occurrence of post-vocalic consonantal /r/. Particularly given > some of the isolation in Appalachia, it is surprising that some did not > survive or even prevail. > --Rudy Troike > Rudi, I wonder if p-vc /r/ is in fact more widespread than the LAMSAS data would suggest. In PADS #73 I charted [r] in "barn" through Illinois, using both LANCS records and DARE recordings of "Arthur the Rat." (101, fig. 61). 7 of twenty-odd DARE informants had the consonantal /r/, somewhere between 25 to 33% I did not find any instances in the DARE records. I get very nervous if I compare my fieldwork with Ravens or some of the other Atlas people, but one difference may bethat pvc/r/ is marked or stigmatized and hence less likely to occur in the single-word LANCS elicitations than the extended reading for Arthur. It does seem like I hear this feature more often on the streets of rural Illinois than even my map would suggest. And I think I hear it fairly often on TV. Like I said in my earlier posting, it seems like many upland southerners have it. Doesn't Willie Nelson? The feature may be stigmatized too because it competes everywhere with the velar allophone, which has the stamp of being Inland Northern. I don't, for example, think my friend Joan L-W has this feature, even though she's from the Pittsburgh area, because she has been in academe for so many years. I have never heard [r] form anyone in a suit, as far as I can remember. I should look up the LANCS responses for "thirty," which on the PEASE map. There the [r] may be entirely conditioned. But my microfilm reader is out in the garage and it's about 20 below out there tonite. In any case, [r] is certainly suggestive of both a dialect region and dialect which is not quite Northern or Southern, and in which Scotch, Irish, or Scotch-Irish may have played a significant role, cf the postings on "Midland" regionalisms last month. Tim Frazer