Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:59:14 EST


Subject: whoop and positive `any longer'

Ohio University Electronic Communication

Date: 29-Jan-1996 07:58pm EST

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From: Beverly Flanigan Dept: Linguistics


Subject: whoop and positive `any longer'

On Dale Coye's request concerning 'whoop':

1. war /hup/

2. they /wupt/ it up (though not frequently heard or said, therefore

somewhat conjectural)

3. she _didn't_ give a /hup/ (only negative for me, like `anymore')

4. /hup/ing cough, /wUp/ing cough, /hUp/ing cough (archaic, i.e., from

my childhood), rarely /hwUp/ing cough (spelling pronunciation,

trying to sound "medically correct"--maybe even /hwup/ing).

(Incidentally, perhaps Sylvia Swift has her IPA vowels reversed? Thus,

/U/ should be /u/ and vice versa; and what Daddy does is /wUHp/='whip'

alternate [how do we make an upside-down V=stressed schwa here??].

Similarly, /wh/ should be /hw/, Old English-style. Spell-checkers

(=spelling pronunciation) may indeed lead us astray.

On positive `any longer': Although I don't say it, I think it might be

said here in southern Ohio (if not in Columbus), nor does it seem

inconsistent with much-attested positive `anymore.' I thought I might

find it in Labov's "Where do grammars stop?" (1973), where he analyzed

the form long before Murray (or me, or anyone else, even using Utah and

Kansas samples!), but he notes instead: "Someone said, `These razor

blades are going like hot cakes. I hope there's any left." He adds,

"Not one speaker failed to interpret it correctly. There is no tendency

whatsoever to supply a negative meaning to _any_ after _hope_. We

therefore observe that the movement of _any_ into positive contexts is

not limited to _anymore_" (p. 74). Again, it wouldn't surprise me to

hear +any longer here; I also recall that one of the NPR guys (Scott

Simon? Bob Edwards?) is from Louavull, though he puts down his own

regional speech when he has time to think of a disparaging remark

before slipping into it himself (ditto for Cokie Roberts, as noted some

time ago on this list).

Received: 29-Jan-1996 07:59pm