Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:40:58 -0600
From: Dan Goodman dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject: newcomer's warsh
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:45:51 +0800
From: Russ McClay mcclay[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]PROQC.COM.TW
Subject: New Joiner Here
Just a note letting everyone know a new list member has appeared: me.
Discovered ADS-L in an article in our China News, New Years Eve.
They printed the society's list of new words, and via the Internet
I found your site and archives.
After reading through most of logs for 94/95 I decided to subscribe.
I've long been interested in slang and how English changes with the
times. My interest increased when I came Taiwan where I taught
English for the first couple of years of my now going-on-over-
I'm 40+, born and raised in Southern California. Folks are from
Indiana. I attended college, but 11 years on the road as a
trucker decidedly influenced how I speak today (I somewhat
unfortunately use f***in' in front of a lot of words, which is
something I need to work on with my 2 1/2 year old daughter
around! She's growing up bilingual incidentally. My wife is
My intention is to lurk. But before I get into that mode, thought
I'd throw a few things out there:
A word I've nearly always mispronounced (probably not the right term)
is wash. I pronounce it: warsh, the r sound very soft. (Sorry not
familiar with the codes. And wouldn't know how to use them if I were.)
Toilet: used to get a bit of the r in that too in younger days, but
it's nearly gone now. Besides, I use "head" these days; must be from
my boatbuilding days.
Another is celestial. For some reason I've always slipped an r in
after the t. Though I've nearly cured that one.
Being a newcomer and not a linguist I would imagine some of these have been
discussed before and represent known patterns. But I would like to hear
Finally, living overseas makes keeping up on all the current expressions
The intrusive r (I think that's the correct term -- I'm an amateur
myself) probably comes either from where you grew up or from where your
parents grew up. My _guess_ would be that it's from Indiana (it's
Keeping up with current expressions can be difficult even living in the
US. I'm in Minneapolis, and a lot of the new terms start either in the
East or the West.
If you're not careful, you might find yourself distributing
questionnaires for one of the professional linguists....
Dan Goodman dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]maroon.tc.umn.edu