Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:29:32 -0500 From: "M. Lynne Murphy" <104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA> Subject: cold drinks ok, this is NOT intended as a call for all to bring up pop and soda and coke and tonic and soft drink and so forth (we've done those to death, thank you). but i do have a query about another regional term for soft drinky things: cold drink. the stress on these is as for a compound noun, rather than an adj + noun. this is what i know: you hear "cold drink" in south africa, but the more "south african english" term is "cool drink" or "cooldrink". because of the stress pattern, you often see "cold drink" spelt "coldrink", although this is not standard spelling. south africans tell me that "cold drink" is more UK and "cool drink" is more SA. american heritage says "cold drink" is "southern US". none of the UK dictionaries i have (concise oxford, collins concise, oxford advanced learners) has "cold drink", suggesting that it's not UK. (but then again, none of my US dictionaries has "candy bar".) none of my SA dictionaries (D of SA english, D of SAE on historical principles, south african pocket oxford) has "cold drink", but all have "cool drink"--suggesting that they see the latter as not being particularly south african, but general (british) english. (but then again, there are other SAisms they've missed.) SA "cool drink" seems to be a calque from afrikaans "koel-drank". "cool drink" used for fizzy drinks or other softdrinks, less often includes juice. also used as term for "a can of..." (eg, "how many cooldrinks are left?"). SO........ with all that background, can anyone give me assurance or (preferably) evidence that "cold drink" is or is not used in - southern u.s. (is this current?) - united kingdom - other commonwealth englishes if "cold drink" is not UK, then it might be a more distant relation of "koel-drank", which SAE spkrs fancy is UK since it's less like Afrikaans. back from 9 weeks in the u.s. and as verbose as ever, lynne --------------------------------------------------------------------- M. Lynne Murphy 104lyn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] Department of Linguistics phone: +27(11)716-2340 University of the Witwatersrand fax: +27(11)716-4199 Johannesburg 2050 SOUTH AFRICA