End of ADS-L Digest - 14 Feb 1995 to 15 Feb 1995 ************************************************ From owner-ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Fri Feb 17 02:26:52 1995 Received: from Walt.CS.MsState.Edu (walt.cs.msstate.edu []); by Tut.MsState.Edu using SMTP (8.6.9/6.5m-FWP); id CAA01732; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 02:26:51 -0600 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by Walt.CS.MsState.Edu (4.1/6.0s-FWP); id AA29298; Fri, 17 Feb 95 02:26:48 CST Message-Id: <9502170826.AA29298[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]Walt.CS.MsState.Edu> Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3296; Fri, 17 Feb 95 03:28:00 EST Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2799; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:03:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:03:51 -0500 Sender: American Dialect Society Reply-To: American Dialect Society From: Automatic digest processor Subject: ADS-L Digest - 15 Feb 1995 to 16 Feb 1995 To: Recipients of ADS-L digests Status: R There are 12 messages totalling 379 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. jakes (8) 2. Derivation of Jake (2) 3. ADS Annual Meeting 4. All the news thats fit to print ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 08:27:12 -0700 From: Bruce Gelder Subject: Re: jakes >Is anyone familiar with the use of the term "jakes" (or "jake" or "jake >house") to mean a privy or a toilet? The OED has it from c1530 on, but >almost all of DARE's contemporary evidence for it comes from Roman Catholic >clergymen! Is it more widespread than that? If you know it, please tell me >where and when you heard it. Thanks. I have never heard the word (I live in Salt Lake City), but I checked three dictionaries to see whether it appeared in any of them. It is listed in all three (Merriam Webster's Collegiate, Tenth Edition; AHD, Third Edition; and the latest edition of Webster's New World). I'm sure that the Random House members of this group can tell us whether it is also listed in their dictionary and (possibly?) even share with us some of the information from their citation files. Merriam Webster's Collegiate gives 1538 as the date of origin, defines it simply as "privy," and says that the word perhaps comes from the French "Jacques." The AHD says that the word is chiefly British, defines it as "a latrine; a privy," and also states that it perhaps originated from "Jacques." Webster's New World says that the word comes from "Jacques" (no "perhaps" given), with the additional comment that it is "now chiefly dial[ectal]." It defines the word as "an outdoor toilet; privy." -Bruce Gelder