Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:00:07 -0700 From: Rudy Troike Subject: Re: Something old, something new To: David Johns Thanks for the very interesting information. Coastal Georgia should have a schwa-onset in , as exemplified in one of my colleagues from Savannah. Without a map, I'm not sure how far inland Waycross is, but it is interesting that the distinction in the /ay/ nucleus is maintained without the schwa-quality (i.e., before vl. consonants, vs the monophthongization before voiced or no consonant). On the two co-occurring varieties, I found in East Texas that there were still echoes of the ante-bellum social separation among whites, but the old upper-class pronunciation was being rapidly overwhelmed. What mattered was not current wealth, but pre-war status. The South has long recognized the condition of "genteel poverty", so current income is not what counts/ed. It might be worth looking into this variable, but I suspect you could make a tremendous contribution by an in-depth ethnographic study in the community, including looking at social groupings in school. We really need some close studies like that. Also, you might well need to look into the historical census records to find out about the settlement history of particular families. It sounds like a fascinating and exciting situation. It was also interesting to get the information on /hw/:/w/. The loss of this contrast is one of the major changes of this century, but we have unfortunately not taken the opportunity to systematically document the spread of the loss. This might be a worthwhile project to undertake on a national network scale, sampling across age and social groups througout the country. There should be good baseline information in all the regional atlases and DARE, but a unified study or linked series of surveys is needed. In Texas in the 1960s, I found the loss of /h/ among college-age students had reached about 50%, but only about 10% of students at the U of Arizona have it (though they are not representative of Arizona, by any means). By the time the loss is complete, linguists in the next century will wish we had done more to catch it and document it in progress. Rudy Troike rtroike[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]