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1. John's = John's family=John's folks
2. Online Dictionary of Street Drug Slang
3. civil disobedience (2)
4. new phrases?
5. internet language
6. E-0ops: ADS newsletter on the web
7. Magic City (Miami? Orlando? Fort Worth?)


Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:32:52 +0000
Subject: Re: John's = John's family=John's folks

The usage was alive in rural Iowa at least as late as my grandparents'
generation. On a visit there in the late 60s I noticed my great aunt
(wife of a hog farmer by then retired to Knoxville) referring to her
sons and their families as "Verlin's" and "Dale's." My father (who grew
up in Des Moines) confirms that the usage was not idiosyncratic, but
fairly widespread, though mostly rural.

I happened to mention this to a colleague in Dayton, Ohio, one time,
and she said, "Yes--I hate that!" I didn't follow up and ask where she
had heard it, but since she had no connection with Iowa, I assume it
is, or was, more generally Midwestern.


On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:56:57 EST "(Dale F. Coye)" Dfcoye[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM

My Pennsylvania Dutch inlaws refer to their respective families by the
genitive alone: "When John's come to visit..." meaning John, his wife
and children. I don't know how widespread this is and don't even know
how to look it up in DARE. Is it there? Where I come from (Central
New York) the old- timers would say "John's folks" which is listed in
DARE, but there is a nuance to it I noted recently: it can also refer
to just the husband and wife: "We went over to John's folks" -- but
John and his wife live alone.

Dale Coye
The College of NJ

Peter A. McGraw
Linfield College
McMinnville, Oregon
pmcgraw[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]linfield.edu