Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:46:12 -0500 From: Gerald Cohen Subject: "Mudville" Update Two developments: 1) Maybe there was a real Mudville after all. I called the very helpful staff at the Western Historical Manuscript Collection (573-882-6028) and asked if the extensive Peter Tamony Collection of Americanisms housed there has anything about "Mudville." Two relevant items are there: a) _San Francisco Examiner_, May 20, 1979, p.8/2-5, "The Original Mudville," column by Art Rosenbaum. b) _San Francisco Examiner_, June 3, 1979, p.8/2-4, "Mudville Revisited," column by Art Rosenbaum. Reportedly these two articles point to Stockton, California (formerly nicknamed Mudville) as the original Mudville. The two articles (based on the research of others) are being mailed to me, and I'll pass along any information they contain. 2) Following Barry Popik's suggestion I telephoned SABR (Society for American Baseball Research---216-575-0500). Staff member John Zajc pointed out an important work: _Ernest Thayer's "Casey At The Bat_," by Jim Moore and Natalie Vermilyea (McFarland Press, 1994). Its subtitle is "Background and Characters of Baseball's Most Famous Poem." It is 300+ pages with a bibliography, and so this work is probably the reliable source we're looking for. I've ordered it via interlibrary loan. My thanks go to the helpful staff members of WHMC and SABR and to the ADS-L members who sent along their thoughts on "Mudville." I'll let you know the results. --Gerald Cohen gcohen[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]