Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:42:40 -0500 From: Grant Barrett Subject: V Not for Victory I have seen Brits and Italians that use the palm-inward V as an offensive gesture. It's usually accompanied by an upward jab of the hand. I once walked into a New York French restaurant and the man at the door inexplicably used the sign. I believe he didnt think my date and I would know what it meant, but we had no problem telling the man to stuff it. I doubt he was French himself. Grant Barrett gbarrett[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] -------------------------------------- Date: 11/29/97 3:06 AM To: Grant Barrett From: Pauline Bryant There are two V signs in Australia. In the V-for-victory sign as used by Churchill, hold up your index and middle fingers, with the thumb and the other two fingers folded across the palm. The important thing is to do this with the palm facing away from the body. Nobody actually does it any more because it isn't culturally relevant any more, but also because you might accidentally get it wrong and make the offensive sign. ... Is it only in Australia that the sign with the palm turned inward is offensive?