Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:23:44 -0500 From: "Dennis R. Preston" Subject: Re: pop and soda Good shot Rudy! Your comment awakened in me the memory (but see below for its possible sociolinguistic inaccuracy) that the geminate pronunciation was the one that I used (in the 40's in Louisville) and the open syllable form was the one I associated with older (and, sad to say) 'hickish' speakers. In fact, the nongeminate pronunciation was one I (and schoolmates) used (along with 'hep' for 'help,' 'a'-prefixing, etc...) as a stereotypical imitation. This raises the spectre of the possibility of our exaggerating our own pronunciation as a stereotype of the aways farther-off 'dialect' speakers. Perhaps the open syllable form exists ohnly there -- in dialect 'performances.' (I think that is not the case here, but it is always something to watch out for. Remember there are two great sociolinguistic laws [unless you are after attitudes, not accuracy of linguistic detail itself: Law #1: Never claim to know what you say. Law#2: Never claim to know what anybody else says either. I guess if we all followed these laws we'd have to shut this list down, huh?) Dennis > Before we go around the circle again on "Co-cola", any latecomers >might want to consult the ADS-L archives, where various communicants have >previously weighed in on the topic (was it about a year ago?). > Though my earlier reaction to the reported form was that I had not >heard it, I realized that, on consulting my inner speaker, that [pace the >claim that English lacks geminate consonants] I would informally say >/kowk.kowl[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]/, with the dot representing the syllable boundary. I wonder how >many of those represented ORTHOGRAPHICALLY with "co-cola" may actually >say/have said /kowk.kowl[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]/ rather than the indicated /kow.kowl[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]/? > --Rudy Troike (rtroike[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]