Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 12:56:22 -0600 From: Katherine Catmull Subject: Re: Da Bears At 10:51 AM 12/13/94 -0600, salikoko mufwene wrote: >In Message Tue, 13 Dec 1994 09:51:20 -0600, > "Timothy C. Frazer" writes: >>By "flatter" sound did you mean like with the tongue raised and tensed, >>like toward barred [I]? I would describe the low central [a] as "open" >>rather than flat. > > I may have a distorted perception as a non-native speaker, but in the >phrase "Dah Bulls," with which I am more familiar, the article sounds >somewhere between a schwa and [a]. (I don't remember whether I have seen >"dah" always spelled with "h".) Yes, thank you. That's more or less where I'd put the sound, too. Sorry I wasn't more clear before--I am obviously not an expert on phonetics. I've been searching for a sound to compare it to, and the closest I've come is that, um, guitar-noise Beavis & Butthead make when they're playing air guitar. It has that nasal quality. When I was visiting Chicago about three years ago, one of the papers ran a column about the "dah Bears" phenomenon, which evidently many people there were rather sensitive about. The writer located that particular "a" sound combined with the final "s" (rather than [z]) as specific to one small area of the city, but I can't recall where it was. Kate Catmull kate[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]