Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 17:00:37 CST From: salikoko mufwene Subject: Re: productive competence In Message Thu, 16 Dec 1993 15:45:14 CST, "Donald M. Lance" writes: >And how is it that so many ESL students make pen/pin distinctions when >taught by pin/pin teachers? Perhaps even cot/caught? >And kids who keep the home phonology rather than shifting to the teacher's >model, or vice versa. >And why young speakers from St. Louis manifested a lot of ae-raising twenty >years ago but current ones don't. > DMLance As a person that learned English the same way, ESL students pay a lot of attention to spelling, which often works as a source of interference, and perceive/assume distinctions which are nor made. By the way, are there any pronunciation dictionaries which assume the "pen/pin" merger system or are consistent in representing variation in pronunciation? Sali. Salikoko S. Mufwene Linguistics, U. of Chicago s-mufwene[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] 312-702-8531