Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 15:45:14 CST From: "Donald M. Lance" Subject: Re: productive competence And how is it that so many ESL students make pen/pin distinctions when taught by pin/pin teachers? Perhaps even cot/caught? And kids who keep the home phonology rather than shifting to the teacher's model, or vice versa. And why young speakers from St. Louis manifested a lot of ae-raising twenty years ago but current ones don't. DMLance