Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:04:10 -0600
From: Charles F Juengling juen0001[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]GOLD.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject: Re: On Wisconsin!
On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
I've never heard this pronunciation for 'bag' here in MN. The usual
pronunciation here is [be:g] (It's a scream to hear a bunch of Minnesota
kids say the the "Pledge of Allegiance" to the [fle:g]!). When my oldest
son was in first grade, one of his spelling words was 'bag'. When the
teacher, a MN-sotan, pronounced the word, he naturally wrote b-e-g , which
is what he heard her say. So, his perfect score was dashed because of
What's really interesting, tho, is that when my wife and I asked the
teacher about this at parent/teacher conference, the teacher could hear
no difference between her pronunciation [beg] and ours [baeg]!
What the hell could she be talking ab out? My fist contact with
the Northern Cities Shift (no 'Great' in its title, by the way). I was
double-confused, in fact, since, even after retrieving the lexical item
'bag,' I was aware that I was more used to 'sack' (of course) for
grocieries and used 'bag' much more frequently for a testicles-container.
Can we have some more stories of phonological cross-dialectal
misunderstanding? I love 'em.
preston[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]pilot.msu.edu
FWIW, My wife's name is Holly and she complains that Minnesotans call her
[haeli]. A bit of an exageration, but not too far off. This fronted,
nasalised pronunciation seems to be age graded (with younger people
seeming to have the more fronted/nasalised version) and, I believe,
urban, altho I have not made enough tapes (I did a small study of this
feature in the summer of '94) of ruralites to make any conclusive
Ah yes, the Great Northern Vowel Shift. I've heard Bill Labov talk about it
for years, but my most memorable encounter was still my first, back in the
early 1960's in my undergraduate days at the University of
RIAAAENNN-ch'ster (that's supposed to be a highish front very nasalized
vowel)--the university/city east of Buffalo, where I spent one puzzling but
ultimately enlightening hour on a blind date with a young woman from the area
who seemed to be talking about salads and couldn't figure out what \I/ was
saying, since she meant SALads, you know, as opposed to liquids...