Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:16:42 EDT From: flanigan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU Subject: mouth ulcers and plagiarism Ohio University Electronic Communication Date: 03-Aug-1995 02:46pm EST To: Remote Addressee ( _mx%"ads-l[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] ) From: Beverly Flanigan Dept: Linguistics FLANIGAN Tel No: Subject: mouth ulcers and plagiarism Two replies and a query: Growing up in Minnesota ('40s and '50s), I, like the Kansas and western New York State writers, distinguished between cold sore (outside) and canker sore (inside). I don't recall hearing the distinction in St. Louis, southern Indiana, or southern Ohio, my subsequent homes, although it may exist in all three areas. In a similar vein: My Minnesota-born father (born 1900) insisted that one should say "Give it me" (no prep. phrase), not "Give me it." Why? Because his New England-born country schoolmarm (born circa 1865) said so, that's why! Her usage violates the standard word order rule for direct and indirect object pronouns, of course; but has anyone else ever heard this? We argued about it endlessly in my smart-alecky high school days, but he was just as prescriptive as I was and wouldn't budge. (Incidentally, he was so devoted to this teacher that he brought her a chicken every Christmas for the last 20 years or so of her 103 years of life--talk about a shaping influence!) On Lynne's problem with plagiarism: Many students in other cultures "cheat" because they don't know what plagiarism (a Western academic concept) is. I recently taught a group of visiting teachers (black and white) from South Africa, Namibia, and Lesotho, and they reported that this is indeed a common phenomenon; but I've had graduate students from all over the world who do the same thing. But then, haven't we all had this same problem with American students? If it is indeed a problem (and it is if your cultural context defines it as such), don't despair--teach to it! Beverly Flanigan Ohio University Received: 03-Aug-1995 03:16pm