Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:19:32 -0500

From: wachal robert s rwachal[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]BLUE.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU

Subject: Full Cleveland

In Cleveland for DSNA a couiple of years ago, I used the term "full

Cleveland" amd discovered that hardly anyone in the audience knew the term

(maybe the native Clevelanders who were present were mainly feignin


I admitted that I did not know the origin of the term, does anyone?

It sounds like a NewYorkerism.

I also admitted not knowing what the term had to do with Cleveland or how

Clevelanders dressed back in the 70's/80's when I think the outfit was

popular here. It was typically worn by men, usually men with potbellies,

men in their 60's.

The Iowa version had the familiar wide white belt and white shoes, but

required maroon trousers and a maroon double-knit jacket. Shirt wear was


it's OK with me if anyone wants to call it "the full Des Moines".

Bob Wachal