There are 8 messages totalling 172 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. Atom Bomb Secrets

 2. Bye-bye Jefff Slaton

 3. monkey blood (3)

 4. "...and them..."

 5. missed news

 6. Your Momma -- Sexual Connotation?



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Date:  Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:22:29 -0400

From:  Heilan Yvette Grimes  HEP2[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: Atom Bomb Secrets



Ignore this guy's advertisement. He is spamming all the lists (it has

appeared on five lists I'm on).



The secret blue prints he's talking about (and trying to sell you) have been

available from the Government Printing Office for a couple of dollars since

the 1960's. He's just trying to make some money off of the 50th Anniversary

Hiroshima/Nagasaki publicity.



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Date:  Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:56:51 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: Bye-bye Jefff Slaton



Some have asked how I got the name of the postmaster of the spammer's

system



To send a messsage to ANY postmaster on ANY system, simply replace the

username with the word postmaster, thus:



If the user is named spammer[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]xyz.com [made-up example!]



send your post to



postmaster[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]xyz.com



What I usually do is simply forward (type forward instead of reply,

depending upon your system) the original message of the spammer to the

postmaster with a subject line that reads "xyz.com is spamming--please

remove from your system"



It has worked every time! Every spammer I have complained about has been

removed, usually within hours.



Bethany Dumas



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Date:  Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:10:00 EDT

From:  Bruce Southard  ENSOUTHA[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



Let me add the Texas Panhandle (Lubbock) to the "monkey blood" crowd.

That was the standard usage in my family in the late 40's and during at

least the 50's, if not later.



Bruce Southard



Bruce Southard

English Department

East Carolina University

ensoutha[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ecuvm1

ensoutha[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu

919-328-6041

919-328-4889 (FAX)



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Date:  Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:21:38 -0500

From:  Shana Walton  swalton[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]WHALE.ST.USM.EDU 

Subject: Re: "...and them..."



"...and them..." is definitely friendly.



 

  In Shana Walton's missive about asking about people's mamas, I was struck by

  the use of the phrase "...and them..." In my native piedmont Virginia, "and

  them" can be used to designate a less-than-beloved son/daughter-in-law, as in

  "Phyllis and them are coming to dinner tonight. Guess I better get ready",

  delivered with a frown that signifies a wish that Phyllis would leave "them"

  (one person - the son-in-law) behind for once.

 

  In my family this phrase is used only with affection.

 

  In "how's your mama and them?" is the "and them" kindly meant?

 

  B. C. Williams

 





--

Shana Walton

Mississippi Oral History Program

University of Southern Mississippi

swalton[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]whale.st.usm.edu

(601) 266-5606



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Date:  Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:19:01 +0100

From:  debaron[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UIUC.EDU

Subject: missed news



I've been having bad luck catching radio news lately. I came in at the end

of an NPR story about Fred Mish announcing the publication of W4. Is it

out? Forthcoming? Anybody know?



And last night I missed the "As it happens" story on Oxford's new grammar

book that allows split infinitives. Anybody know to what new pub this

refers? Has Fowler been reedited?



Well, I'm going back into my shell. Be out again next week.



Dennis

--



Dennis Baron                      debaron[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uiuc.edu



Department of English             office: 217-333-2392

University of Illinois                fax: 217-333-4321

608 South Wright Street            home: 217-384-1683

Urbana, Illinois 61801



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Date:  Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:13:00 CST

From:  Joan Hall  jdhall[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



Thanks for all the cites for "monkey blood." This looks distinctly

regional--all our evidence (with the exception of Mary's example) is from

Texas or Louisiana.

Joan Hall, DARE



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Date:  Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:53:04 CDT

From:  "Donald M. Lance"  ENGDL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



I grew up knowing that Mercurocrome was monkey blood, or vice versa.

This was part of our family language that has origins in southwest Arkansas.

My recollection is that Merthiolate is a later product.

We didn't use 'monkey blood' to refer to iodine. We had another name for

that but I can't remember what it was.

The time frame for all this is language from at the latest the 1930s.

I have no way of knowing how long ago my Arkansas relatives began using

this term.

                     DMLance



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Date:  Tue, 1 Aug 1995 23:17:58 -0400

From:  BARBARA HILL HUDSON  BHHUDSON[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]GROVE.IUP.EDU 

Subject: Re: Your Momma -- Sexual Connotation?



In reference to the use of yo' mama



I agree that the term is shorthand for a longer insult about the person's

mother. In New Jersey and in Chicago where I grew up, it was part of a game

called the dozens which consisted of making derogatory remarks about family

members (especially, but not exclusively the mother). Many of the insults were

in form of rhymes and children would start the game by reciting...

    Now I don't play the dozens cause the dozens too bad

    But I can tell you how many children you mama done had



In any case for most of the children who went to school with me "Yo mama" was

often seen as fighting words, but sometimes the term was used when someone was

acting smart. For example if asked who was buried in Grant's tomb, some smart

a-- would say, "Yo mama." Boys engaged in this kind of play more than girls

did, and when the verbal deuling was friendly, the insults were hyperbolic, but

nonsensical (yo mama wears combat boots).



Barbara Hill Hudson

BHHudson[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]grove.iup.edu



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End of ADS-L Digest - 31 Jul 1995 to 1 Aug 1995

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There are 17 messages totalling 1028 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. jobs (fwd) (3)

 2. monkey blood (4)

 3. lexicographer positiond)

 4. Yo mama

 5. Your Momma -- Sexual Connotation? (3)

 6. NEH update (medium length)

 7. Lost CIG files

 8. Your Momma -- Sexual Conn...

 9. sherbe(r)t (2)



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:32:23 -0500

From:  jeffrey howard allen  jhallen[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]INDIANA.EDU 

Subject: jobs (fwd)



For those who are interested, ask Eric Nyberg at ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cs.cmu.edu if the

following jobs are still available. I have heard that the French one

still is.



JEFF

---------- Forwarded message ----------





Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:19:03 EDT From: ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CS.cmu.edu (Eric

Nyberg)



Subject: Spanish Technical Leader





US-PA-Pittsburgh Machine Translation Language Developer (Spanish), CMU





Spanish Technical Leader, Machine Translation Applications





The CATALYST project at the Center for Machine Translation, Carnegie



Mellon University, is seeking a talented and energetic individual for



the position of Spanish Technical Leader.





CATALYST is a large-scale MT application for commercial document



delivery in the domain of heavy machinery. Each Target Language



Technical Leader is responsible for the following tasks:





 * Work with project leaders to define workplan and schedule for



  target language module development, deployment and maintenance





 * Supervise and participate in the development and maintenance of each



  knowledge source for the application (lexicon, grammar,



  interpretation rules, etc.) * Integrate system knowledge sources

into a run-time delivery module





 * Participate actively in requirements definition and QA





 * Maintain a responsive and professional relationship with customer



  personnel





The successful applicant must have the following qualifications:





 * Native or near-native fluency in Spanish





 * M.S. in Computer/Information Science (or related field),



  or equivalent experience





 * Strong programming skills in Lisp and Unix





 * Experience communicating and working productively within a



  development group





 * Experience in designing and implementing multi-module software

systems





The following skills are also desirable:









 * Coursework in linguistics or computational linguistics





 * Experience in developing machine translation software or other



  types of language processing software





 * Experience with commercial software development and system



  engineering





 * Fluency in French, German, Portuguese, Russian, Italian





 * Some familiarity with PERL, C++





Full-time Salaried Position, Starting Range: $30,000 to $33,000 USD





Occasional Travel Required





Contact:    Eric Nyberg               Phone: (412)

268-7281



        Center for Machine Translation     Fax:  (412)

268-6298



        Carnegie Mellon University       EMail:

ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cs.cmu.edu



        Pittsburgh, PA 15213





Candidates should send a letter of application, a current vita, at



least three letters of reference, and representative samples of their

work.



 Resumes, cover letters, etc. may be submitted via EMail, in



ASCII or Postscript form. Resumes may also be submitted by fax or



regular mail, but EMail is preferred. Letters of recommendation must



be faxed or mailed. Applicants from abroad may wish to consider



express mail to ensure a timely submission.



-------------------------------------------



Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:18:55 EDT  From: ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CS.cmu.edu (Eric

Nyberg)



Subject: German Technical Leader





US-PA-Pittsburgh Machine Translation Language Developer (German), CMU





German Technical Leader, Machine Translation Applications





The CATALYST project at the Center for Machine Translation, Carnegie



Mellon University, is seeking a talented and energetic individual for



the position of German Technical Leader.





CATALYST is a large-scale MT application for commercial document



delivery in the domain of heavy machinery. Each Target Language



Technical Leader is responsible for the following tasks:





 * Work with project leaders to define workplan and schedule for



  target language module development, deployment and maintenance





 * Supervise and participate in the development and maintenance of each



  knowledge source for the application (lexicon, grammar,



  interpretation rules, etc.)





 * Integrate system knowledge sources into a run-time delivery module





 * Participate actively in requirements definition and QA





 * Maintain a responsive and professional relationship with customer



  personnel





The successful applicant must have the following qualifications:





 * Native or near-native fluency in German





 * M.S. in Computer/Information Science (or related field),



  or equivalent experience





 * Strong programming skills in Lisp and Unix





 * Experience communicating and working productively within a



  development group





 * Experience in designing and implementing multi-module software

systems





The following skills are also desirable:





 * Coursework in linguistics or computational linguistics





 * Experience in developing machine translation software or other



  types of language processing software





 * Experience with commercial software development and system



  engineering





 * Fluency in French, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Italian





 * Some familiarity with PERL, C++





Full-time Salaried Position, Starting Range: $30,000 to $33,000 USD





Occasional Travel Required





Contact:    Eric Nyberg               Phone: (412)

268-7281



        Center for Machine Translation     Fax:  (412)

268-6298



        Carnegie Mellon University       EMail:

ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cs.cmu.edu



        Pittsburgh, PA 15213



        USA



  Candidates should send a letter of application, a current vita, at



least three letters of reference, and representative samples of their



work. Resumes, cover letters, etc. may be submitted via EMail, in



ASCII or Postscript form. Resumes may also be submitted by fax or



regular mail, but EMail is preferred. Letters of recommendation must



be faxed or mailed. Applicants from abroad may wish to consider



express mail to ensure a timely submission.







---------------------------------



Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:18:53 EDT  From: ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CS.cmu.edu (Eric

Nyberg)



Subject: French Technical Leader





US-PA-Pittsburgh Machine Translation Language Developer (French), CMU





French Technical Leader, Machine Translation Applications





The CATALYST project at the Center for Machine Translation, Carnegie



Mellon University, is seeking a talented and energetic individual for



the position of French Technical Leader.





CATALYST is a large-scale MT application for commercial document



delivery in the domain of heavy machinery. Each Target Language



Technical Leader is responsible for the following tasks:





 * Work with project leaders to define workplan and schedule for



  target language module development, deployment and maintenance





 * Supervise and participate in the development and maintenance of each



  knowledge source for the application (lexicon, grammar,



  interpretation rules, etc.)





 * Integrate system knowledge sources into a run-time delivery module





 * Participate actively in requirements definition and QA





 * Maintain a responsive and professional relationship with customer



  personnel





The successful applicant must have the following qualifications:





 * Native or near-native fluency in French





 * M.S. in Computer/Information Science (or related field),



  or equivalent experience





 * Strong programming skills in Lisp and Unix





 * Experience communicating and working productively within a



  development group





 * Experience in designing and implementing multi-module software

systems





The following skills are also desirable:





 * Coursework in linguistics or computational linguistics





 * Experience in developing machine translation software or other



  types of language processing software





 * Experience with commercial software development and system



  engineering





 * Fluency in German, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Italian





 * Some familiarity with PERL, C++





Full-time Salaried Position, Starting Range: $30,000 to $33,000 USD





Occasional Travel Required





Contact:    Eric Nyberg               Phone: (412)

268-7281



        Center for Machine Translation     Fax:  (412)

268-6298



        Carnegie Mellon University       EMail:

ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cs.cmu.edu



        Pittsburgh, PA 15213



        USA





Candidates should send a letter of application, a current vita, at



least three letters of reference, and representative samples of their



work. Resumes, cover letters, etc. may be submitted via EMail, in



ASCII or Postscript form. Resumes may also be submitted by fax

orregular mail, but EMail is preferred. Letters of recommendation must



be faxed or mailed. Applicants from abroad may wish to consider



express mail to ensure a timely submission.





---------------------------



Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:19:01 EDT



From: ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CS.cmu.edu (Eric Nyberg)



Subject: Portuguese Technical Leader





US-PA-Pittsburgh Machine Translation Language Developer (Portuguese),

CMU





Portuguese Technical Leader, Machine Translation Applications





The CATALYST project at the Center for Machine Translation, Carnegie



Mellon University, is seeking a talented and energetic individual for



the position of Portuguese Technical Leader.





CATALYST is a large-scale MT application for commercial document



delivery in the domain of heavy machinery. Each Target Language



Technical Leader is responsible for the following tasks:





 * Work with project leaders to define workplan and schedule for



  target language module development, deployment and maintenance





 * Supervise and participate in the development and maintenance of each



  knowledge source for the application (lexicon, grammar,



  interpretation rules, etc.)





 * Integrate system knowledge sources into a run-time delivery module





 * Participate actively in requirements definition and QA





 * Maintain a responsive and professional relationship with customer



  personnel





The successful applicant must have the following qualifications:





 * Native or near-native fluency in Portuguese





 * M.S. in Computer/Information Science (or related field),



  or equivalent experience





 * Strong programming skills in Lisp and Unix





 * Experience communicating and working productively within a



  development group





 * Experience in designing and implementing multi-module software

systems





The following skills are also desirable:





 * Coursework in linguistics or computational linguistics











 * Experience in developing machine translation software or other



  types of language processing software





 * Experience with commercial software development and system



  engineering





 * Fluency in French, German, Spanish, Russian, Italian





 * Some familiarity with PERL, C++





Full-time Salaried Position, Starting Range: $30,000 to $33,000 USD





Occasional Travel Required





Contact:    Eric Nyberg               Phone: (412)

268-7281



        Center for Machine Translation     Fax:  (412)

268-6298



        Carnegie Mellon University       EMail:

ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cs.cmu.edu



        Pittsburgh, PA 15213



        USA





Candidates should send a letter of application, a current vita, at



least three letters of reference, and representative samples of their



work. Resumes, cover letters, etc. may be submitted via EMail, in



ASCII or Postscript form. Resumes may also be submitted by fax or



         be faxed or mailed. Applicants from abroad may wish to

consider



express mail to ensure a timely submission.





------------------------------------------------------------------------



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:30:35 -0400

From:  Wayne Glowka  wglowka[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MAIL.GAC.PEACHNET.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



 Does anyone know the term "monkey blood" referring to Mercurochrome,

 Merthiolate, or iodine? If so, please say when and where. Thanks.

 

 Joan Hall, DARE

 jdhall[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]facstaff.wisc.edu



Members of my family referred to Mercurochrome as monkey blood. My parents

were raised in Weimar, TX, in the 30's, but moved to San Antonio in the

early 50's. As children in the 50's and 60's in San Antonio, we always

begged for monkey blood when we had a cut or scratch--the alternative was

Merthiolate, which stung like hell. My mother would give us monkey blood;

my father insisted on the effectiveness of Merthiolate. I was always

impressed when my father would rinse his mouth out with Merthiolate when he

had a mouth ulcer.





Wayne Glowka

Professor of English

Director of Research and Graduate Student Services

Georgia College

Milledgeville, GA 31061

912-453-4222

wglowka[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]mail.gac.peachnet.edu



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:34:55 -0500

From:  jeffrey howard allen  jhallen[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]INDIANA.EDU 

Subject: lexicographer positiond)



Another job offer for those who are interested.



JEFF



---------- Forwarded message ----------



Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:18:48 EDT



From: ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CS.cmu.edu (Eric Nyberg)



Subject: Lexicographer





US-PA-Pittsburgh Machine Translation Lexicographer, CMU





Lexicographer, Machine Translation Applications





The CATALYST project at the Center for Machine Translation, Carnegie



Mellon University, is seeking a talented and energetic individual for



the position of Lexicographer.





CATALYST is a large-scale MT application for commercial document



delivery in the domain of heavy machinery. The Lexicographer is



responsible for the following tasks:





 * implementation of lexicon refinement/enhancement/maintenance tasks,



  in support of source and target language lexicon development.





The successful applicant must have the following qualifications:





 * M.A. in linguistics, M.S in computational linguistics or a related

field





 * Native or near-native fluency in English





 * Experience developing knowledge sources for language software,



  preferably large-scale, multi-lingual lexicons for machine

translation



  in technical domains





 * Understanding of the principles of lexicography and terminology



  management, especially as they relate to semantic accuracy and



  translatability





 * Demonstrated ability to proactively identify and quantify lexical



  issues that arise during development/refinement, with special



  attention paid to issues which span multiple knowledge sources (e.g.,



  domain model, TL lexicons, etc.).







Skill and experience in these areas are preferred but not required:





 * Fluency in any of French, Spanish, German, Italian, Portuguese,

Russian





 * Experience with manual translation in technical domains











Full-time Salaried Position, Starting Range: $27,000 to $30,000 USD





Occasional Travel Required





Contact:    Eric Nyberg               Phone: (412)

268-7281



        Center for Machine Translation     Fax:  (412)

268-6298



        Carnegie Mellon University       EMail:

ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cs.cmu.edu



        Pittsburgh, PA 15213



        USA





Candidates should send a letter of application, a current vita, at



least three letters of reference, and representative samples of their



work. Resumes, cover letters, etc. may be submitted via EMail, in



ASCII or Postscript form. Resumes may also be submitted by fax or



regular mail, but EMail is preferred. Letters of recommendation must



be faxed or mailed. Applicants from abroad may wish to consider



express mail to ensure a timely submission.



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:39:30 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: Re: jobs (fwd)



  For those who are interested, ask Eric Nyberg at ehn+[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cs.cmu.edu if the

  following jobs are still available. I have heard that the French one



This reminds me to remind you that the ADS web pages include job ads.

The positions mentioned above have been advertised on our web pages for a

long time now. The direct address is http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/ADS/

jobs.html -- also reachable through http://www.msstate.edu/ if you click

on "Other Resources..." and then "American Dialect Society."

  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:44:50 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: Re: jobs (fwd)



  long time now. The direct address is http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/ADS/

  jobs.html -- also reachable through http://www.msstate.edu/ if you click



Oops -- I just remembered that that direct address isn't right since the

file is really part of the SECOL files I keep (but clickable from the ADS

pages). The direct address is http://www.msstate.edu/Org/SECOL/jobs.html.

It's also reachable via http://www.msstate.edu/ or http://www.msstate.edu/

Archives/ADS/. (The answer to why SECOL is an org and ADS is an archive

is that somebody in our Computing Center misclassified ADS.)

  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:18:46 -0400

From:  Heilan Yvette Grimes  HEP2[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: Yo mama



 Boys engaged in this kind of play more than girls

 did, and when the verbal deuling was friendly, the insults were hyperbolic,

but

 nonsensical (yo mama wears combat boots).

 

 Barbara Hill Hudson

 BHHudson[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]grove.iup.edu



When I was growing up "Yo mama wears army boots" (in Ohio it was army boots

rather than combat boots) meant two things. Either your mother was gay, or

you were dirt poor appalachian white trash because your mama was wearing

secondhand store disgarded army boots (just like the ones Granny in the

Beverly Hillbillies wore).



--Yvette



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:45:31 -0400

From:  "Christopher R. Coolidge"  ccoolidg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MOOSE.UVM.EDU 

Subject: Re: Your Momma -- Sexual Connotation?



 I've passed through Utah a number of times, and I don't think I've heard

anyone swear at all in that state, let alone say "your momma."



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:05:03 -0400

From:  "Christopher R. Coolidge"  ccoolidg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MOOSE.UVM.EDU 

Subject: Re: Your Momma -- Sexual Connotation?



 Eddie Murphy used to have such variations on "your momma" in his comedy

routine as, for example, "yo' momma has a wooden leg with a kickstand!"



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:11:15 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: NEH update (medium length)



Here again, from our inside track in Washington, are the latest developments

in funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities. - Allan Metcalf



***************************************



August 31, 1995



TO: NHA Members and Friends

FR: John Hammer and Cuc Vu

RE: Washington News Update: Senate Completes FY96 Appropriations

   Markup on NEH

__________________________________________________________________



NEH FARES A LITTLE BETTER THAN NEA IN SENATE



During the week of July 24, the Senate proceeded with actions in

connection with the NEH through the Interior Appropriations and

full Appropriations markups. The following is a summary of the

highlights.



SENATE SUBCOMMITTEE ON INTERIOR APPROPRIATIONS



Senator Slade Gorton (R-WA), the subcommittee's chair, followed

the House mark and recommended putting $99.5 million into both NEH

and NEA for FY96. Mr. Gorton's mark is consistent with the

remarks he made earlier during the Labor Committee's markup of an

NEA/NEH reauthorization bill. During the Labor markup, Mr. Gorton

explained that cultural programs constitute approximately 6

percent of the interior budget and said that the Labor Committee's

proposed 5 percent cuts next year are "totally unrealistic." He

also added that he (as chairman of the Interior Appropriations

Subcommittee) would not reduce those cultural institutions for

which the government has sole responsibility such as the

Smithsonian Institution and the National Gallery of Art.



NEH, however, got a boost when Senator Dale Bumpers (D-AR)

successfully maneuvered a $15 million increase. However, it is

not clear whether the Bumpers amendment will hold on the Senate

floor; the energy program from which the offset came has many

champions in the Senate and may be restored, which may put NEH

back at the original $99.5 million mark.





Mr. Bumpers was not able to do the same for NEA, and sadly noted

that he would have liked to have done at least the same or more

for NEA. The votes simply were not there.



An important factor in NEH's win was the support of Senator Thad

Cochran (R-MS), who carries significant influence with his GOP

colleagues.



SENATE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS



Last Friday, July 28 the Senate Committee on Appropriations marked

up all interior programs for FY96 and approved $114.5 million for

the humanities endowment (representing a 34% reduction from

current levels), while keeping the arts endowment at $99.5

million. The different figures may reflect the increasing

distinction being drawn between NEH and NEA among many members of

Congress.



The highlights of the committee's proceedings included amendments

from Senators Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Robert Bennett (R-UT), and

Daniel Inouye (D-HI) in connection to NEH.



LEAHY-BENNETT AMENDMENT. Mr. Leahy and Mr. Bennett proposed to

transfer $25 million from the Naval Petroleum Oil Reserve to the

endowments--Mr. Gorton added $50 million to the Reserve in the

Interior Subcommittee markup. Of the proposed $25 million, Leahy

and Bennett wanted to put $5 million into NEH and the remaining

$20 million into NEA to bring it up to parity with NEH.



The Leahy-Bennett amendment failed by a vote of 14-13, with

Senators Robert Byrd (D-WV), Ernest F. Hollings (D-SC), J. Bennett

Johnston (D-LA), Mark Hatfield (R-OR), Ted Stevens (R-OR), Thad

Cochran (R-MS), Pete Domenici (R-NM), Phil Gramm (R-TX),

Christopher "Kit" Bond (R-MO), Slade Gorton (R-WA), Connie Mack

(R-FL), Conrad Burns (R-MT), Richard Shelby (R-AL), and Judd Gregg

(R-NH) voting against the amendment. Senator Mitch McConnell (R-

KY) did not vote. Three Republicans--Senators James Jeffords (R-

VT), who has been critical in the reauthorization process, Arlen

Specter (R-PA), and Robert Bennett (R-UT)--joined with the

remaining Democrats in support of the endowments. The vote from

Mr. Hatfield was noted among observers, who mistakenly thought

Mr. Hatfield would vote in favor of the endowments. Mr. Hatfield

explained that he could not go against the recommendation of his

colleague, Mr. Gorton, who as the chair of the subcommittee with

oversight over the endowments suggested marking only $99.5 million

for each endowment.



The narrow margin of defeat is an encouragement to arts and

humanities advocates, since some of the endowments's staunchest

critics such as Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX) sit on the committee.

Mr. Leahy plans to introduce an amendment to the full Senate,

where arts and humanities advocates hope to capture enough

moderate GOP votes to tilt the balance in favor of giving the

endowments a modest increase. At this time, it is not certain

whether Mr. Bennett will again join with Mr. Leahy in a bipartisan

effort. Communications from Mr. Leahy's office indicate that a

bipartisan collaboration is likely.



INOUYE AMENDMENT. Senator Harry Reid showed himself to be a great

friend when he rescued NEH from Senator Daniel Inouye's (D-HI)

proposal to transfer $19 million from NEH to the American Indian

Museum. Mr. Reid suggested that Mr. Inouye take $15 million from

the Naval Petroleum Oil Reserve instead. The committee passed Mr.

Inouye's amendment with Mr. Reid's suggestions.



NEXT STEPS



The Appropriations Committee filed its final report (S. 104-25) on

Monday, July 31, which means that the bill is technically ready to

go to the floor. Staff estimates vary as to whether the bill will

reach the floor before the August 11 break.





--



  National Humanities Alliance

  21 Dupont Circle, N.W.

  Washington, D.C.  20036

   (202) 296-2994

   Internet: nhainfo[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cni.org



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:52:37 CDT

From:  Erin McKean  emm2[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU 

Subject: Re: Your Momma -- Sexual Connotation?



The rap group the Pharcide has a very funny song using

that Eddie Murphy line. The chorus is "yo momma, yo momma, yo momma!"





Erin McKean

SF/Thorndike-Barnhart Dictionaries

opinions are mine. easy credit terms available for purchase!



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:20:00 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Lost CIG files



Yesterday I inadvertently dumped the letter of the thread on cigarette

brands. It will cost me about $50 to retrieve them from the system. If you

have them - or any of them - and are willing to share, please le me

know. Thanks,



Bethany Dumas

dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]utk.edu



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:25:21 -0400

From:  David Carlson  Davidhwaet[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



Is a mouth ulcer a cold sore or a canker?



David R. carlson

34 Spaulding St.

Amherst MA 01002



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:35:19 -0400

From:  David Carlson  Davidhwaet[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: Your Momma -- Sexual Conn...



In Eastern New England (Norwood MA to be exact), the expressions were:



   Your mother wears Army boots  and



   Your sister drinks her bath water.



These were simple insults used by males, and no sexual

connotation was intended.



Davidhwaet[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]aol.com

34 Spaulding St. Amherst MA

Springfield College



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:06:09 EDT

From:  Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer

      owner-LISTSERV[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA.CC.UGA.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



Here in New York City, a mouth ulcer is a cold sore. I've seen

(somewhere) but not heard "canker sore," but never "canker" as

a standalone noun. (Born in 1963, raised in Queens.)



Vicki Rosenzweig

vr%acmcr.uucp[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]murphy.com

New York, NY



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 16:33:14 -0400

From:  Donna Metcalf  Ddonna[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: sherbe(r)t



Having just watched Jungle Fever with a class studying African American

Literature (that included films) I am reminded that I still don't really know

what an egg cream is. I think I do but I've never been sure. I've always

thought it was like the bottom chocolate fizzy part of a chocolate soda, only

vanilla. Vicki, I am sure you can set me straight.



Donna Metcalf



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:36:35 -0700

From:  Mary Bucholtz  bucholtz[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



I'm starting to wonder about the family origins of my childhood

friend.... I'll see whether she has a Texas connection.



Mary



Department of Linguistics

University of California, Berkeley



bucholtz[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]garnet.berkeley.edu



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:07:27 EDT

From:  Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer

      owner-LISTSERV[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA.CC.UGA.EDU 

Subject: Re: sherbe(r)t



An egg cream is a soft drink consisting of seltzer, milk, and syrup.

The canonical chocolate egg cream is Fox's U-bet chocolate syrup

poured into the bottom of a glass (about half an inch deep, more if

it's a very large glass), then milk on top of that (slightly more than

the chocolate syrup), and seltzer to fill the glass. Egg creams can

be made in other flavors, including vanilla, but I've always preferred

chocolate (and can't give you instructions on the others). Two notes:

a luncheonette I used to go to in New Haven offered _only_ coffee and

vanilla egg creams, because it was a tiny place that didn't have any

other reason to keep chocolate syrup, but sold plenty of coffee and also

used vanilla for vanilla Cokes. Also, some friends and I recently

discovered that a tasty (if noncanonical) variation on the chocolate

egg cream can be made by using raspberry-flavored seltzer instead of

plain.



Vicki Rosenzweig

vr%acmcr.uucp[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]murphy.com

New York, NY



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There are 12 messages totalling 302 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. next conference (2)

 2. Canker sores and egg creams

 3. monkey blood (3)

 4. help--oxford dictionaries

 5. oxford help--found! (2)

 6. mouth ulcers and plagiarism

 7. mouth ulcers and plagiarism -Reply

 8. cowboy lingo (fwd)



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Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:57:31 -0600

From:  POLSKY ELLEN S  Ellen.Polsky[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]COLORADO.EDU 

Subject: next conference



I seem to have lost all of the materials that announce the

dates of the ADS Conference. I need them for inclusion in TESOL's

Applied Linguistics Newsletter. Thanks in advance.



Ellen S. Polsky (Ellen.Polsky[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]Colorado.EDU)



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 09:50:37 EDT

From:  Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: Canker sores and egg creams



...by which I do not intend to imply any causal relation between the two.

 On the first, I also grew up in NYC (late 1940's and early-mid 50's for the

formative years) but unlike Vicki I can vouch for the term "canker sore" being

applied to those cold sores one gets inside one's cheek and in adjacent areas.

On egg creams, I have nothing to add to Vicki's recipe and variations. I do

recall the chocolate variety being such a strong default that no other flavors

were considered real egg creams, although the vanilla and coffee versions were

extant.  Oh, this was Washington Heights, if that's relevant.



       Larry



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 09:06:08 CST

From:  Luanne von Schneidemesser  lvonschn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



In Message Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:06:09 EDT,

 Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer writes:



 Here in New York City, a mouth ulcer is a cold sore. I've seen

 (somewhere) but not heard "canker sore," but never "canker" as

 a standalone noun. (Born in 1963, raised in Queens.)

 

 Vicki Rosenzweig

 vr%acmcr.uucp[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]murphy.com

 New York, NY



Growing up in Kansas, I used only the term canker sore for what was in your

mouth. A cold sore was on the outside of your lip, where other people could

see it, not in your mouth. Do others make this distiction? Mouth ulcer

I've never heard.



Luanne von S.



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:20:54 -0400

From:  "M. Lynne Murphy"  104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA 

Subject: help--oxford dictionaries



i hope that you won't mind this request to help me drive the

principles of academic honesty into my students' skulls.



i'm trying to prove that a student plagiarized her lexicography

assignment. the assignment was to write definitions (in english) of

northern sotho words, but what a couple of students have done is to

look up english translational equivalents for these words in

english dictionaries and copy those. i've already shown that one

student used the american heritage (surprising for south africa),

but am unable to discern exactly which dictionary another used.

i've narrowed it down, however, to one of the oxford dictionaries

(several of the definitions are identical to those in the south

african pocket oxford).



if you have an oxford dictionary handy, could you help out a pissed-

off teacher by seeing if the following definition is in it?

(by saturday the 5th, if possible, when i have to give the students

their marks.)



i have already established that it is NOT the following:

  oxford english dictionary (first ed.)

  concise oxford dictionary (8th ed.)

  south african pocket oxford

   (but it's awfully close, so it might be another pocket oxford)



here's the definition:

stocking:  close-fitting, usually knitted, covering for foot and leg

up to or above the knee.



(punctuation or abbreviations may differ)



thank you in advance, my detectively colleagues,

lynne



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Dr. M. Lynne Murphy            104lyn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]muse.arts.wits.ac.za

Department of Linguistics            phone: 27(11)716-2340

University of the Witwatersrand          fax: 27(11)716-8030

Johannesburg 2050

SOUTH AFRICA



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 09:30:08 -0500

From:  Jeff Zuckerman  jzuckerm[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MAIL.CEE.UMN.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



In message  9508022134.AA12517[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]sunny.health.state.mn.us  American Dialect

Society writes:

  Here in New York City, a mouth ulcer is a cold sore. I've seen

  (somewhere) but not heard "canker sore," but never "canker" as

  a standalone noun. (Born in 1963, raised in Queens.)

 

  Vicki Rosenzweig

  vr%acmcr.uucp[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]murphy.com





* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

jzuckerm[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]mail.cee.umn.edu



Jeff Zuckerman

Department of Independent Study

45 Wesbrook Hall

University of Minnesota

Minneapolis, MN 55455

(612) 624-2387



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:02:32 -0400

From:  "M. Lynne Murphy"  104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



  Growing up in Kansas, I used only the term canker sore for what was in your

  mouth. A cold sore was on the outside of your lip, where other people could

  see it, not in your mouth. Do others make this distiction? Mouth ulcer

  I've never heard.

 

  Luanne von S.





this is exactly the distinction we made in upstate (western) new

york. mouth ulcer is a technical term that no one would ever use.



lynne



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M. Lynne Murphy              104lyn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]muse.arts.wits.ac.za

Department of Linguistics            phone: 27(11)716-2340

University of the Witwatersrand          fax: 27(11)716-8030

Johannesburg 2050

SOUTH AFRICA



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:38:21 -0400

From:  "M. Lynne Murphy"  104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA 

Subject: oxford help--found!



after bothering you for your help with my plagiarism problem, i was

able to find the source: the oxford illustrated dictionary (1962)

(the student had cited it as a source in a previous assignment).

i thank you anyhow for reading through my notes and perhaps looking

things up.



for the record, three out of seven of these 4th year students (i.e.,

they already have BAs in the english system and are working on a

post-graduate degree) cheated on this assignment by copying out of

dictionaries. it seems that they didn't even understand the

definitions they copied (or didn't bother to try), since the

definitions were often not appropriate to the sotho words. i am

seriously questioning my career choice today. i am seriously

questioning everything today!



best,

lynne m.



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M. Lynne Murphy              104lyn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]muse.arts.wits.ac.za

Department of Linguistics            phone: 27(11)716-2340

University of the Witwatersrand          fax: 27(11)716-8030

Johannesburg 2050

SOUTH AFRICA



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:11:12 -0600

From:  Larry Davis  DAVIS[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU 

Subject: Re: next conference



ADS will meet 28-30 Dec. at the Barclay Suites Hotel, 166 E. Superior St.,

Chicago. Reservations: (800) 833-4353 or (312) 787-6000. Ask for the ADS rate.

Registration: $20 students $10. The suites are great--and they're $79 /night,

thanks to Allan Metcalf's great negotiating skills.



Larry Davis



Larry Davis



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:36:45 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: oxford help--found!



Okay -- what is a "sotho" word?



Thanks,

Bethany Dumas

dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]utk.edu



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:16:42 EDT

From:  flanigan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU

Subject: mouth ulcers and plagiarism



          Ohio University Electronic Communication





  Date: 03-Aug-1995 02:46pm EST



   To: Remote Addressee           ( _mx%"ads-l[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu )



  From: Beverly Flanigan              Dept: Linguistics

     FLANIGAN                 Tel No:



Subject: mouth ulcers and plagiarism





  Two replies and a query:

  Growing up in Minnesota ('40s and '50s), I, like the Kansas and western

  New York State writers, distinguished between cold sore (outside) and

  canker sore (inside). I don't recall hearing the distinction in St.

  Louis, southern Indiana, or southern Ohio, my subsequent homes,

  although it may exist in all three areas.



  In a similar vein: My Minnesota-born father (born 1900) insisted that

  one should say "Give it me" (no prep. phrase), not "Give me it." Why?

  Because his New England-born country schoolmarm (born circa 1865) said

  so, that's why! Her usage violates the standard word order rule for

  direct and indirect object pronouns, of course; but has anyone else

  ever heard this? We argued about it endlessly in my smart-alecky high

  school days, but he was just as prescriptive as I was and wouldn't

  budge. (Incidentally, he was so devoted to this teacher that he

  brought her a chicken every Christmas for the last 20 years or so of

  her 103 years of life--talk about a shaping influence!)



  On Lynne's problem with plagiarism: Many students in other cultures

  "cheat" because they don't know what plagiarism (a Western academic

  concept) is. I recently taught a group of visiting teachers (black and

  white) from South Africa, Namibia, and Lesotho, and they reported that

  this is indeed a common phenomenon; but I've had graduate students from

  all over the world who do the same thing. But then, haven't we all had

  this same problem with American students? If it is indeed a problem

  (and it is if your cultural context defines it as such), don't

  despair--teach to it!

                    Beverly Flanigan

                    Ohio University







Received: 03-Aug-1995 03:16pm



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:42:06 -0500

From:  Molly Dickmeyer  dickmeye[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]JBLSMTP.PHL.LRPUB.COM 

Subject: mouth ulcers and plagiarism -Reply



Beverly:



I grew up with "give it me," and, being from PA Dutch country, always

assumed it was a German syntactical remnant in the vein of "outten

the light" and "throw the horse over the fence some hay" and "have

you your mittens."



My two queries:



Answering Beverly's post made me think of some other oddities I grew

up with--the terms "have a catch" (rather than to play catch, i.e.,

throw a ball back and forth between two or more people), and a term

for calves (of the bovine variety)--"hummies". Any thoughts on the

origins of these, anyone?



molly



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Date:  Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:30:10 -0500

From:  Daniel S Goodman  dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU 

Subject: cowboy lingo (fwd)



---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:50:00 PDT

From: Moore, Sherri L.  SLM[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MFG1.TRACOR.COM 

To: Multiple recipients of list FOLKLORE  FOLKLORE[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU 

Subject: cowboy lingo



Can anyone provide me with some information/sources on the origin of the

term "cayuse" as applied to horses (especially in folksongs/western film and

television?



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There are 12 messages totalling 253 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. oxford help--found! (3)

 2. next conference

 3. monkey blood (4)

 4. Stop subscription till September

 5. "tribal members"

 6. cowboy lingo (fwd)

 7. ADS session at M/MLA: information



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:15:15 -0400

From:  "M. Lynne Murphy"  104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA 

Subject: Re: oxford help--found!



  Okay -- what is a "sotho" word?



it's a word in sotho (a bantu language). pronounced "sutu".



lynne



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M. Lynne Murphy              104lyn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]muse.arts.wits.ac.za

Department of Linguistics            phone: 27(11)716-2340

University of the Witwatersrand          fax: 27(11)716-8030

Johannesburg 2050

SOUTH AFRICA



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:50:48 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: oxford help--found!



Thanks. What is the relationship between sotho (and why is the word

not capitalized?) and, say, Kiswahili, Kikuyu, etc?



Bethany



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:16:48 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: next conference



Having just conducted a thorough inspection of the site, including an

overnite stay in a remodeled suite (o, the sacrifices my job requires, all

for your benefit), I can add to Larry's report -



The Barclay is finishing a $5 million remodeling. All suites now have fully

equipped kitchens, with glasses, dishes, utensils, coffee maker (and Kona

coffee), microwave, refrigerator with icemaker - you can store your favorite

beverage, or a carryout from a neighborhood restaurant.



All meeting rooms are on the 6th floor. Elevators are faster now.



The former meeting room on top level has become an exercise room, with

weights, stationary cycles, stair steppers. If you tire of the lake and city

view, you can watch TV while you work out.



Complimentary full breakfast in the former Barclay Club on 7th floor.

Unfortunately, it's now serve yourself, and (at least when we visited) even

the coffee cups are styrofoam. (Back in your room, however, are real ceramic

mugs.)



The Barclay is nomenclaturally challenged. If you call 800 - 833-4353, you'll

get the Summerfield Suites national number, and then will have to punch your

way to the Summerfield Suites downtown Chicago, aka Barclay. The remodeled

sign on the front of the hotel says only, Summerfield Suites; but while we

were there, they added a banner reading Barclay. Anyhow, be prepared for

either name; the place and the rate are still the same.



The sept issue of the Newsletter of the American Dialect Society will have

further details. If you aren't an ADS member, you can get a copy of that when

it's published, and membership information, by sending your s-mail address to

me.



- Allan Metcalf, ADS executive secretary  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]aol.com 



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:28:13 -0700

From:  Allen Maberry  maberry[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]U.WASHINGTON.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



Luanne's is the distinction I grew up with (Oregon). I always heard

"canker sore" never just "canker", and never heard of a "mouth ulcer".

Allen Maberry

maberry[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]u.washington.edu



On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Luanne von Schneidemesser wrote:



  In Message Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:06:09 EDT,

   Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer writes:

 

   Here in New York City, a mouth ulcer is a cold sore. I've seen

   (somewhere) but not heard "canker sore," but never "canker" as

   a standalone noun. (Born in 1963, raised in Queens.)

   

   Vicki Rosenzweig

   vr%acmcr.uucp[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]murphy.com

   New York, NY

 

  Growing up in Kansas, I used only the term canker sore for what was in your

  mouth. A cold sore was on the outside of your lip, where other people could

  see it, not in your mouth. Do others make this distiction? Mouth ulcer

  I've never heard.

 

  Luanne von S.

 



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:45:17 -0400

From:  Brigid Williams  Brigidia[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Stop subscription till September



SUSPEND SUBSCRIPTION TILL NOTIFIED



B. C. Williams

(Brigidia[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.com)



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:42:00 EST

From:  Electronic Products Magazine  0004276021[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MCIMAIL.COM 

Subject: "tribal members"



Here's a copy-editing question from an article in another publication,

"Sandia Science News." Is anyone bothered by the following sentence,

taken from an article about Indians using new methods of food

processing:



"Tribal members are using solar power to dry crops quickly."



Should the adjective be "tribe" since the adjective "tribal" means,

according to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, "of, relating

to, or characteristic of a tribe"? Would you describe membership as

'tribal"? If I had copy-edited this sentence, I would have said

"Members of the tribe"; I know my solution begs the question. Any

insights?







Leonard Schiefer            lschiefer[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]mcimail.com

Chief Copy Editor

Electronic Products Magazine

Garden City, NY



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:39:57 CDT

From:  "Donald M. Lance"  ENGDL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



According to my Taber's Cyclopedic Medical Dictionary, 'canker sore' is

"a lay term for apthous stomatitis." Stomatitis is "inflammation of the

mouth." s., apthous refers to those sores inside the mouth that are

also sometimes called (in lay terms) mouth ulcers. Herpetic stomatitis

is "characterized by cold sores (fever blisters)." I get both kinds,

usually when I've eaten lots of rich food. Sometimes when I'm under

stress. My theory, from experience and from doctors' resposes, is that

my body harbors herpes simplex (but, fortunately,not the other herpes),

and under certain conditions my immune system can't keep the critter at

bay. My solution isn't Wayne Glowka's father's; I take one or two

1000mg tablets of Lysine-L a couple of times a day, preferably on an

empty stomach. Gets rid of 'em faster'n anything else. Effective with

fever blisters too. In some recent family history research I've found

out that my great-great-grandmother (maternal) was a herb doctor, so

I s'pose I'm not too far out of line in generating this posting. DMLance



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:59:03 -0400

From:  "M. Lynne Murphy"  104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA 

Subject: Re: oxford help--found!



  Thanks. What is the relationship between sotho (and why is the word

  not capitalized?) and, say, Kiswahili, Kikuyu, etc?



it's not capitalized in my notes only because i capitalize nothing.

( i read once that this is the e-mail equivalent of mumbling, which

everyone who's not from western new york tells me i do in person too,

but i maintain it's a regional thing--not mumbling, but my accent).



if one is using the appropriate prefix, it's sesotho (Sesotho,

seSotho or SeSotho)--but "sesotho" is usually used to refer to

southern sotho, and i was talking about northern sotho, which is

considered in these parts to be a different language (though

practically mutually intelligible), the major dialect of which is

sepedi (sePedi/SePedi/Sepedi), so northern sotho is often (sometimes

erroneously) called "sepedi".  they're southern bantu languages.

kikuyu and kiswahili are from different branches of the family--

central and eastern, i believe.



if you've got more questions, perhaps we should take this off the

list.



lynne



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:56:08 -0700

From:  Dan Alford  dalford[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]S1.CSUHAYWARD.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



Wow. Words can sometimes take you on an instant age-regression trip! Yes,

indeed -- growing up in Los Angeles (Wilmington) in the late '40s and the

'50s, "monkey blood" was frequently applied to my boyhood wounds. And I

think it was an internal family word, rather than a neighborhood-at-large

word, so that moves its roots back into Arkansas (mother   Baxter County,

father   Malvern).



On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Joan Hall wrote:



  Does anyone know the term "monkey blood" referring to Mercurochrome,

  Merthiolate, or iodine? If so, please say when and where. Thanks.

 

  Joan Hall, DARE

  jdhall[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]facstaff.wisc.edu

 



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:03:19 CDT

From:  "Donald M. Lance"  ENGDL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU 

Subject: Re: cowboy lingo (fwd)



A Dictionary of the Old West, by Peter Watts (Wings Books, 1977), has this

entry on 'cayuse':



Also _kiuse_. Originally a word for the wild horse of the Northwest and

named for the Cayuse Indians; it soon became a general term among the cowmen

of the northern ranges for a cow horse of mustang descent. Weseen 1934 says: "

An Indian pony." Ramon Adams 1944 adds that in later years the word was

applied contemptuously to scrub-horses (Dunn 1886; Berret and van den Bark

1942).                    DMLance



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:36:53 EST

From:  Beth Lee Simon  simon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood



In Des Moines Iowa, as in Kansas: canker sore was inside the mouth, and

cold sore was on the outside of the lip.



beth simon



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Date:  Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:48:36 EST

From:  Beth Lee Simon  simon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU 

Subject: ADS session at M/MLA: information



    The American Dialect Society session at the 1995 M/MLA convention

    is Friday, Nov. 3, 12:30 - 2:00.



Hope to see you in St. Louis!



Beth Simon



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There are 11 messages totalling 179 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. King's X (4)

 2. ecstasy, Ecstacy

 3. Canker sores and egg creams (6)



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:14:38 -0400

From:  Heilan Yvette Grimes  HEP2[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: King's X



A few questions:



1. When I was growing up in Southern Ohio kids had a way of immediately

stopping another kid from either too much joking around (tossing you hat back

and forth over your head to another kid so that you couldn't get your hat

back), too much tickling. All you had to do was say "King's X" and cross your

fingers. This brought everything to an immediate stop, your hat was returned

to you, or the tickling was stopped. Over the years I've asked others about

this and have discerned that people in parts of Alabama, parts of Arizona,

and parts of California said "King's X". Anyone else?



2. Also what about Pinkies? If you and a friend happened to say the same word

or phrase at the same time one would yell Pinkies. You would link pinkies

together (either hand) and say:

  First Kid: What goes up the chimney?

  Second Kid: Smoke

  Both Together: May you wish and my wish never be broke.



Then you pulled apart your Pinkies and touched part of the clothing of the

other person and yelled out the color of that clothing.



Done successfully your wish would come true. Anyone else do this?



3. Finally, there is a phrase in the english language that when said uses

all the muscle combinations of the mouth. What is it? I think I read it in a

Douglas Hofstadter book but haven't been about to find it.



--Yvette



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:29:16 -0400

From:  Douglas Mazanec  MAZMAN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]DELPHI.COM 

Subject: Re: ecstasy, Ecstacy



The spelling of ecstasy as "XTC" seems right in line with the

current group INXS (pronounced 'In Excess')



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:51:18 +0600

From:  Jim McCulloch  mcculloch[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU 

Subject: Re: King's X



In answer to question 1, my friends and I growing up in South and Central

Texas in the 1950's said King's x. My two daughters, one 25 and the other

13, who grew up in Austin, know nothing of King's x. The 13 year-old says

"time out" or "times," meaning roughly what King's x did. I don't know if

King's x survives in rural areas in Texas, but it I don't think it is

common in cities in Texas, and may be gone altogether.

I have no info on question 2 and 3.

--Jim McCulloch



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:26:09 -0400

From:  "Christopher R. Coolidge"  ccoolidg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MOOSE.UVM.EDU 

Subject: Re: King's X



On Sat, 5 Aug 1995, Jim McCulloch wrote:



  In answer to question 1, my friends and I growing up in South and Central

  Texas in the 1950's said King's x. My two daughters, one 25 and the other

  13, who grew up in Austin, know nothing of King's x. The 13 year-old says

  "time out" or "times," meaning roughly what King's x did. I don't know if

  King's x survives in rural areas in Texas, but it I don't think it is

  common in cities in Texas, and may be gone altogether.

  I have no info on question 2 and 3.

  --Jim McCulloch

 

 The only Kings X I know is a band that just happens to be from Texas;

perhaps there's a connection somewhere.



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 16:04:00 -0400

From:  Douglas Mazanec  MAZMAN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]DELPHI.COM 

Subject: Re: Canker sores and egg creams



..for what it's worth... I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, in the mid 50'

 and

recall both my mother and grandmother calling those sores on the inside

of the mouth canker sores. Also recall them being referred to as cole (sp?)

sores.



 Douglas Mazanec

 Mazman[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]delphi.com



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:15:24 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: Re: Canker sores and egg creams



In my Mississippi childhood, sores on the lips were "fever blisters" (I

heard "cold sore" sometime later in life). I think the ones on the inside

were called "ulcers," although I don't remember for sure. I'm almost

certain that we didn't use the term "canker sore" for anything.

  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:20:33 -0700

From:  "Joseph B. Monda"  monda[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SEATTLEU.EDU 

Subject: Re: King's X



I was born i 1929 and grew up in Wenatchee, Washington the Apple

Capital of the World; and King's X was well-known to us as a time out

device, particularly while playing Tag or Chase or some such thing. It

was usually accompanied by our crossing our fingers and/or legs and/or

arms while proclaming loudly "King's X!"



Incidentally, crossing body parts also was used to indicate a denial of a

statement. For instance: "Your mother is calling you." If your mother

wasn't calling, this state could not be considered a lie if one croseed

one's fingers, arms, legs, toes, eyes, shoelaces I heard once. The

ethics of children are everybit as complex as those of lawyers.

Joe



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 18:35:28 -0400

From:  Robert Aldridge  RobertA799[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: Canker sores and egg creams



I also grew up in Mississippi, and I do remember hearing the term "canker

sore". But I seldom heard it and was never sure what it meant. I'm sure I

do even now. I remember thinking what an ugly sore it must refer to and I

would shudder to think about it. Maybe I thought it related to cancer.



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:52:27 -0400

From:  John J Staczek  CAMJON[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]GUVAX.ACC.GEORGETOWN.EDU 

Subject: Re: Canker sores and egg creams



In Toledo, Ohio, post-1943, my YOB, it was definitely 'cold sores' for

the outside, also 'fever blisters'; it was 'canker sores' on the

inside. I did hear 'mouth ulcers' but thought it more technical.

Re the 'monkey blood', i don't recall it, though our hierarchy at home

for the remedies for cuts and such was: iodine, merthiolate, and

mercurochrome, in descending order of OUCH.

**********************************************************************

John J Staczek     *    Phone: 202.687.5741

Dept of Linguistics   *    Fax: 301.469.9196

Georgetown University  *    Internet: camjon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]guvax.georgetown.edu

Washington DC 20057   *    Home: 301.469.9196

**********************************************************************



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:06:37 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: Re: Canker sores and egg creams



  I also grew up in Mississippi, and I do remember hearing the term "canker

  sore". But I seldom heard it and was never sure what it meant. I'm sure I

  do even now. I remember thinking what an ugly sore it must refer to and I

  would shudder to think about it. Maybe I thought it related to cancer.



I'm confident that we didn't think that Nice People would have anything

so nasty sounding as a "canker sore."

  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



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Date:  Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:30:00 -0400

From:  Robert Aldridge  RobertA799[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: Canker sores and egg creams



Yes, I think that's it, Natalie. We nice folks didn't have canker sores. We

just didn't.



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There is one message totalling 16 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. Canker sores and egg creams



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Date:  Sun, 6 Aug 1995 01:54:02 -0400

From:  John J Staczek  CAMJON[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]GUVAX.ACC.GEORGETOWN.EDU 

Subject: Re: Canker sores and egg creams



I also recall nice folk not ever talking about such things. Whenever

my dad had one, nice folk that he was, i might have overheard him and

mom mention it. It was not something they talked to us kids about.

**********************************************************************

John J Staczek     *    Phone: 202.687.5741

Dept of Linguistics   *    Fax: 301.469.9196

Georgetown University  *    Internet: camjon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]guvax.georgetown.edu

Washington DC 20057   *    Home: 301.469.9196

**********************************************************************



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There are 6 messages totalling 89 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. King's X

 2. Canker sores and egg creams

 3. hummies (2)

 4. Counting those e-mails

 5. P.S. on the Times survey



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Date:  Mon, 7 Aug 1995 00:33:23 -0700

From:  Rima & Kim McKinzey  rkm[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SLIP.NET 

Subject: Re: King's X



Growing up in NY, we said Pinkies and linked and said the What goes up the

chimney/Smoke part - but I don't remember the May your wish and my wish

never be broke part. I also think there a few other question/answer lines

- but I can't remember what they were. We never did the clothing part

either.



Rima



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Date:  Mon, 7 Aug 1995 11:24:24 -0400

From:  "J. Russell King"  JRKing[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: Canker sores and egg creams



Growing up in Southern Oklahoma in the 1960's, I used "fever blister" for

exterior lip sores and "canker sores" for inside the mouth. Didn't know "cold

sore" till went away to college (or read Campho-Phenique bottle, perhaps) --

it's not part of my native vocabulary, but it's probably the term I would use

today.



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Date:  Mon, 7 Aug 1995 11:25:20 -0400

From:  Ellen Johnson  ellenj[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ATLAS.UGA.EDU 

Subject: hummies



The LAMSAS files for the "name for the sound a cow makes" (what a

fascinating wealth of trivia we have!!) include lots of instances of

"hum" along with "low" and "moo". Some informants distinguish this from

"moo" as the SOFT sound of the animal instead of the loud one. BUT calf

sounds are a different file, with answers like "bawl" and "maa".



Ellen Johnson

ellenj[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]atlas.uga.edu



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Date:  Mon, 7 Aug 1995 12:03:58 CST

From:  Joan Hall  jdhall[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU 

Subject: Re: hummies



DARE says that "hummie" is a variant of "hommie," which is in turn a variant

of "hommilie," from PaGer "hamm(e)lie", Swiss Ger "ammeli."

Joan Hall



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Date:  Mon, 7 Aug 1995 23:40:10 EDT

From:  Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: Counting those e-mails



ADS-ers may be interested in participating in, or at least hearing about, an

ongoing collection of submissions to the New York Times on the topic:

       Is "an E-mail" acceptable usage?

--as in "I'll send you an E-mail".

The context of the article on the topic in today's Times (p. D4) makes it

clear that (i) they're not interested in capitalization or hyphenization as

parameters of variation, and (ii) they really do want electronic mail users to

contribute their intuitions on whether they would use 'e-mail' as a count

noun, although that terminology appears to be too technical for the Times

staffers. Myself, I feel a bit mixed, since my stomach turns at the

prescriptivist bias on the part of some of the quoted respondents (or of the

tone of the article, whose text begins "Hip lingo, or corruption of the

mother tongue--as if the two options were mutually exhaustive). At the

same time, I really don't use 'e-mail' as a count noun. Do y'all?



Larry



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Date:  Mon, 7 Aug 1995 23:52:07 EDT

From:  Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: P.S. on the Times survey



I forgot the address for direct posting:

   mediabiz[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]nytimes.com

--with the request "Only one vote per motherboard, please", and the constraint

that all ballots be received by 11:59p.m. this Thursday. (And include a phone

number if you want to allow the Times to quote you, so they can "verify your

identity".)



     LH



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There are 8 messages totalling 177 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. Counting those e-mails (6)

 2. Keep those e-mails coming in (interim report) (2)



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Date:  Mon, 7 Aug 1995 23:58:15 -0700

From:  Rima & Kim McKinzey  rkm[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SLIP.NET 

Subject: Re: Counting those e-mails



Seems to me, e-mail (E-mail, email) is essentially the same noun as mail.

Isn't it electronic mail vs. snail mail? Unless one defines e-mail as

equivalent to letter, which I don't think is really done. When it's said

as "an e-mail" isn't it really an elipsis of "an e-mail message"?



Think I'll send this off to the Times too.



Rima



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Date:  Tue, 8 Aug 1995 03:05:26 CDT

From:  "Donald M. Lance"  ENGDL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU 

Subject: Re: Counting those e-mails



The Times query may indirectly be about something not included in their

(one instance of) "an e-mail." When you send in something to a List,

what have you done? You've sent a posting (count noun). When you send

something to an individual correspondent, what have you done? You've

sent a(n) __________ (count noun). I tend to say "message" but don't

feel that this is exactly the lexicosemantic item I need. I don't want

to say that I've sent a "letter," and certainly not "a mail." Maybe

"a mailing," but that's what I do when I prepare a batch of things to send

out as if I'm imitating Publishers Clearinghouse in some humble way.

What say ye?          DMLance



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Date:  Tue, 8 Aug 1995 06:52:04 -0500

From:  jeffrey howard allen  jhallen[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]INDIANA.EDU 

Subject: Re: Counting those e-mails



I tend to use "e-mail" in an adjectival way by saying "e-mail messages"

but have often heard people say "e-mails" here at work.



JEFF

----------------------------------------

On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Larry Horn wrote:



  ADS-ers may be interested in participating in, or at least hearing about, an

  ongoing collection of submissions to the New York Times on the topic:

        Is "an E-mail" acceptable usage?

  --as in "I'll send you an E-mail".

  The context of the article on the topic in today's Times (p. D4) makes it

  clear that (i) they're not interested in capitalization or hyphenization as

  parameters of variation, and (ii) they really do want electronic mail users to

  contribute their intuitions on whether they would use 'e-mail' as a count

  noun, although that terminology appears to be too technical for the Times

  staffers. Myself, I feel a bit mixed, since my stomach turns at the

  prescriptivist bias on the part of some of the quoted respondents (or of the

  tone of the article, whose text begins "Hip lingo, or corruption of the

  mother tongue--as if the two options were mutually exhaustive). At the

  same time, I really don't use 'e-mail' as a count noun. Do y'all?

 

  Larry

 



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Date:  Tue, 8 Aug 1995 08:40:31 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: Counting those e-mails



No: "e-mail" is for me a mass noun or a verb. (not a count noun)



Bethany Dumas



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Date:  Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:07:19 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: Counting those e-mails



"E-mail can also be an adj. (And I just sent a messsage to the Times.)



Bethany Dumas

dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]utk.edu



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Date:  Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:51:27 +0100

From:  debaron[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UIUC.EDU

Subject: Re: Counting those e-mails



I got an e-mail from ADS-L, but I don't yet say, I got 5 e-mails from

ADS-L. I say, I think I say, I got 5 posts, 5 messages, 5 email messages.

But I think it won't be long, especially since all the 6 year olds in the

neighborhood treat mail as a count noun. Dennis, you got 3 mails today!



Dennis

--



Dennis Baron                      debaron[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uiuc.edu



Department of English             office: 217-333-2392

University of Illinois                fax: 217-333-4321

608 South Wright Street            home: 217-384-1683

Urbana, Illinois 61801



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Date:  Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:48:40 EDT

From:  Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: Keep those e-mails coming in (interim report)



I thought I'd collect a few more intuitions before reporting them to the Times

(again, for anyone who needs to be urged, you can participate in the survey or

"e-mail contest", as they call it, by writing directing to them at

mediabiz[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]nytimes.com). So far, the majority shares my conservative dialect in

which e-mail is a mass noun or verb but not a count noun. (Incidentally, in

response to Bethany and I think someone else, I'd argue that in "an e-mail

message", 'e-mail' is not an adjective but a noun within a noun-noun compound,

exactly as 'water' in "water torture" or 'milk' in "a milk bath". There's

little evidence if any that such modifiers are adjectives, although they cer-

tainly share semantic and syntactic properties with adjectives. But then so

do PPs as in "an in-your-face response". Pre-nominal modifer, si; adjective,

no.) There are several respondents who do use 'e-mail' as a count noun, in-

cluding one who uses it as such in the singular only. (Creeping counthood.)



Larry



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Date:  Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:09:22 PDT

From:  tom creswell  creswell[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CROWN.NET 

Subject: Re: Keep those e-mails coming in (interim report)



In keeping with my normal tendency to not participate in the impedance of

language change, indeed, to hasten it in the direction of ease of production

if possible, I use as my regular spelling non-hyphenated _email_ and do,

despite NY Times and the majority of ADS query respondents, use it at

will as a count noun. Haven't had any objection from correspondents yet..



Not only that, but throwing caution to the winds, I regularly spell without

a hyphen or a slash (two current dictionaries show hyphen, two slash)

_CDROM_. I hope that this information does not cause the anal NYTimes

copy editor to suffer a coronary event.



Tom Creswell

219/926 7018-------------------------------------

Name: tom creswell

E-mail: creswell[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]dodo.crown.net (tom creswell)

Date: 06/27/95

Time: 12:24:20



This message was sent by Chameleon

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---------------Original Message---------------

I thought I'd collect a few more intuitions before reporting them to the Times

(again, for anyone who needs to be urged, you can participate in the survey or

"e-mail contest", as they call it, by writing directing to them at

mediabiz[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]nytimes.com). So far, the majority shares my conservative dialect in

which e-mail is a mass noun or verb but not a count noun. (Incidentally, in

response to Bethany and I think someone else, I'd argue that in "an e-mail

message", 'e-mail' is not an adjective but a noun within a noun-noun compound,

exactly as 'water' in "water torture" or 'milk' in "a milk bath". There's

little evidence if any that such modifiers are adjectives, although they cer-

tainly share semantic and syntactic properties with adjectives. But then so

do PPs as in "an in-your-face response". Pre-nominal modifer, si; adjective,

no.) There are several respondents who do use 'e-mail' as a count noun, in-

cluding one who uses it as such in the singular only. (Creeping counthood.)



Larry





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There are 2 messages totalling 178 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. e-mails re: interim report (interim report) (fwd)

 2. NEH funding update



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Date:  Wed, 9 Aug 1995 06:45:59 -0500

From:  jeffrey howard allen  jhallen[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]INDIANA.EDU 

Subject: e-mails re: interim report (interim report) (fwd)



I had indicated in a message that "e-mail" can be used adjectivally, as

the modifier of a noun, but I would fully agree with the statement below

that it is part of a noun-noun compound. It is simply the problem with

English that two different kinds of pre-nominal words can modify the head

noun, these being adjectives and nouns. It just so happens that

everybody in the world's grammar teacher always say that adjectives

modify nouns, so I end having to invent a new way with my engineering

technical writers that main nouns can be modified by two either nouns or

adjectives. This is evident from the two following examples:



    engine oil

     Noun  Noun



    hydraulic oil

     ADJ    Noun



I said that "e-mail" acts adjectivially with "message" in the sense of

"engine oil" above because it functions in a way that most people

(non-linguists) would label an adjective.



Due to this problem that I deal with at work all the time for our

translation system, I have come up with a list of tests for nouns,

adjectives, verbs, adverbs and prepositional phrases that can be used by

any ordinary person to do simple sentence parsing.



 From these tests, "e-mail" is either a main Noun or a Verb and can be a

Noun used to modify another noun (I call them secondary nouns for my public).

That's just simply a laymen's way of explaining the term "pre-nominal

modifier. Like I said, my writers having engineering and mechanical

backgrounds; they weren't English or linguistics majors.



JEFF



---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:48:40 EDT

From: Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]yalevm.ycc.yale.edu 

Subject: Keep those e-mails coming in (interim report)



So far, the majority shares my conservative dialect in

which e-mail is a mass noun or verb but not a count noun. (Incidentally, in

response to Bethany and I think someone else, I'd argue that in "an e-mail

message", 'e-mail' is not an adjective but a noun within a noun-noun compound,

exactly as 'water' in "water torture" or 'milk' in "a milk bath". There's

little evidence if any that such modifiers are adjectives, although they cer-

tainly share semantic and syntactic properties with adjectives. But then so

do PPs as in "an in-your-face response". Pre-nominal modifer, si; adjective,

no.)



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Date:  Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:11:41 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: NEH funding update



Once again, for those interested in prospects for funding the National

Endowment for the Humanities, a report from our Washington contact, the

National Humanities Alliance. - Allan Metcalf



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8 August 1995



TO: NHA Members & Friends

FR: John Hammer

RE: NEH and other Cultural Agencies in FY-96 Interior

 Appropriation will go to Senate floor before August break

__________________________________________________________________



In July, the Senate Appropriations Committee decided on a FY-96

budget that provides the following for NEH and its sister

agencies:



 NEH $114.5 million

 NEA    99.5 million

 IMS    21.0 million



NEH is $15 million higher than the House-passed bill. Senate

allotments for NEA and IMS are the same as the House bill. NEH

and NEA are about 40% below their current funding levels (but

above the Senate Budget Committee recommendation of a 50% cut);

IMS is about 25% lower.



TIMING: The Senate Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations

Bill (H.R. 1977) in which the cultural agency budgets reside, may

go to the floor anytime between August 8 and the recess. Earlier,

Majority Leader Robert Dole (R-KS) said the Senate would recess on

August 9 and did not include Interior on the list of bills to be

completed. Yesterday, Mr. Dole said that Interior would go to the

floor before recess, even if that did not begin until August 17.

The Senate is presently engaged in welfare reform, which could

take several days or could be pulled until a clearer consensus can

be developed behind the scenes. Individuals wishing to contact

senators on the NEH issue can:



 (a) telephone Washington offices [all can be reached through

 the Capitol Switchboard at (202) 224-3121], and

 (b) telephone in-state offices for messages and/or to

 arrange meetings.



AMENDMENTS: Several amendments involving the cultural agencies

are floating around. All amendments involving funding increases

must indicate an offset of an equal amount from another item in

the Interior budget. There is only one amendment that we are

quite certain will be offered (but we are not sure who the

sponsors will be):



 o Patrick Leahy [D-VT] (with at least one co-sponsor from

among Robert Bennett [R-UT], Dale Bumpers [D-AR], and James

Jeffords [R-VT]) to bring both NEH and NEA to $120 million and

increase IMS by perhaps $2 million. The offset may come from the

Naval Petroleum Reserve. This amendment (minus IMS) only failed

by one vote in the full Appropriations Committee. Bipartisan

sponsorship would seem to have the best prospects.



 o Other more ambitious amendments (e.g., to bring all three

agencies to 15% below current budgets -- 15% being the reduction

in the overall allotment to the Interior subcommittee). The

problem these amendments face is finding an offset which is large

enough but not strongly defended.



MESSAGE: Senators should be urged to:



 (a) Support the Appropriation Committee numbers; and

 (b) Support amendments that would increase appropriations to

 these agencies; but

 (c) Defeat amendments that would seek to decrease funding or

 further restrict the agencies' ability to operate.



KEY TARGETS:



A - Swing votes (Highest priority): Conrad Burns (R-MT), Hank

Brown (R-CO), Robert C. Byrd (D-WV), Thad Cochran (R-MS), Robert

Dole (R-KS), J. James Exon (D-NE), Bill Frist (R-TN), Bob Graham

(D-FL), Rod Grams (R-MN), Charles E. Grassley (R-IA), Judd Gregg

(R-NH), Mark Hatfield (R-OR), Ernest F. Hollings (D-SC), Daniel K.

Inouye (D-HI), J. Bennett Johnston (D-LA), J. Robert Kerrey

(D-NE), Richard G. Lugar (R-IN), Connie Mack (R-FL), John McCain

(R-AZ), Frank H. Murkowski (R-AK), Sam Nunn (D-GA), Richard Shelby

(R-AL), Ted Stevens (R-AK), Strom Thurmond (R-SC), and John W.

Warner (R-VA).



B - Likely to support NEH et al (Good to reinforce): Max Baucus

(D-MT), Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-DE), Richard Bryan (D-NV), Kent

Conrad (D-ND), Alfonse D'Amato (R-NY), Mike DeWine (R-OH), Pete

Domenici (R-NM), Byron Dorgan (D-ND), Russ Feingold (D-WI), Howell

Heflin (D-AL), Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX), Nancy Kassebaum

(R-KS), Herbert H. Kohl (D-WI), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Patty Murray

(D-WA), Bob Packwood (R-OR), David Pryor (D-AR), Harry Reid

(D-NV), Olympia Snowe (R-ME).



C - Signers of the 7/10/95 Simpson/Dodd letter calling upon

Senator Gorton "to recommend the highest possible levels of

funding for the [NEA, NEH, and IMS]": Daniel Akaka (D-HI), Robert

Bennett (R-UT), Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), Barbara Boxer (D-CA),

Bill Bradley (D-NJ), John Breaux (D-LA), Dale Bumpers (D-AR),

Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-CO), John Chafee (R-RI), William S. Cohen

(R-ME), Thomas Daschle (D-SD), Christopher Dodd (D-CT), Dianne

Feinstein (D-CA), Wendell Ford (D-KY), Tom Harkin (D-IA), Orrin

Hatch (R-UT), Jim Jeffords (R-VT), Edward Kennedy (D-MA), John

Kerry (D-MA), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Carl Levin (D-MI), Joseph

Lieberman (D-CT), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Carol Moseley Braun

(D-IL), Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY), Claiborne Pell (D-RI),

Charles Robb (D-VA), Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), William Roth (R-DE),

Paul Sarbanes (D-MD), Paul Simon (D-IL), Alan Simpson (R-WY),

Arlen Specter (R-PA), and Paul Wellstone (D-MN).

--

  National Humanities Alliance

  21 Dupont Circle, N.W.

  Washington, D.C.  20036

   (202) 296-2994

   Internet: nhainfo[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cni.org



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Topics of the day:



 1. snake doctors and such

 2. Counting e-mails



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Date:  Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:17:34 EDT

From:  Terry Lynn Irons  t.irons[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MSUACAD.MOREHEAD-ST.EDU 

Subject: snake doctors and such



I have been working with some of the field records from the LANCS

archives (via the wonderfully preserved microfilms) and have come across

a few variant responses for dragon fly (short sheets, page 46, item 8)

in Kentucky records that I need some help with. They maybe attested in

DARE, but I am at home and dont have those volumes to hand. SO.



First of all Kentucky is a snake doctor/feeder state (which I knew

existed but never heard until I moved here) and is generally found

in the LANCS records. These usages have by and large died out among

contemporary speakers, but preliminary pilot work suggests that the

forms are preserved in eastern ky, with a sharp boundary between doctor

and feeder head nouns.



The forms I encounter in the field records that are novel to me and

that I have not seen attested elswehere (but I am by no means to be

considered widely read) include the following:



snake fly Mercer cty also knows snake doctor

witch doctor  Scott Cty also knows snake doctor

snake bug  Johnson Cty  also knows snake charmer

snake master Calloway Cty also knows mosquito hawk

devils horse this is a secondary response from informants

        in Hickman Cty, field work by Raven. I am

        interpreting his notes as the second word being

        horse. This may not be accurate. The response

        is clearly not devils darning needle, which is

        attested three other times in KY.

snake fisher  Bell Cty

snake eater  Leslie Cty

flying grampa secondary response Whitely Cty.



Also from Leslie Cty I have a secondary response that I cannot

decipher from Ravin's notes. The primary response is devils

darning needle (lot of legs) Written above in the commments section

is  w^ ? l krI^kIt  I dont know if this this is some lexical variant

for dragon fly or for a variety of earthworm/nightcrawler (46.7A &B).



This item is particularly interesting because it is one of the

distinctive features of Midland dialects listed by Kurath in his

Word Geography. Actually, he says snake feeder is Midland, snake

doctor is Southern. I have not yet plotted the distribution of

these features across KY (data to which Kurath did not have access

in 1949), but it is clear that doctors outnumber feeders, which suggests

that the south midland boundary (if such a thing ever existed) may

be further north than the projections in early maps. Who knows?

(But there was a distinct Midland dialect--or at least an Ohio

Valley accent; I hear it in my relatives, and they aint Northerners

or SOutherners.)



My query at this time is, does anyone know of other attestations of the

above cited forms in other areas? Does anyone know what the

cryptic form noted by Ravin might be? If so, is it attested elsewhere?



Terry

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Voice Mail:       (606) 783-5164

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Date:  Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:01:38 CDT

From:  "Donald M. Lance"  ENGDL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU 

Subject: Counting e-mails



I observed today bipartisan support for the use of 'e-mail' as a count

noun to refer to instances of sending a memo/letter/message electronically.



I watched as much of the House Whitewater hearing as I could stand this

afternoon -- congressmen harassing/harrasing witnesses on the basis of

which side of the House the testimony seemed to help.



Bob Barr, R-Georgia,was grilling April Breslaw, an atty who works for

the Resolution Trust Corporation, and he inquired about "an e-mail" that

she had received or sent, adding that people do "a lot of e-mails that they

later wish they hadn't sent." Atty Breslaw also used 'e-mail' in the singular

and plural. Barr called some of them memos.



On th evening news I saw a clip of Barbara Boxer, D-California, quizzing

Nussbaum. She asked "Did Mrs. Clinton send an e-mail to you?"



As for Ms Breslaw, her party preference was rather unclear. In one of

those e-mails that she later regretted (in Barr's opinion) she referred to

"crazy" politicians, a reference to having been blind-sided by Rep.

Leach, R-Iowa, when he quoted (conveniently (de-)contextualized) remarks

that another investigator had recorded surreptitiously while maneuvering

Ms Breslaw through a maze of personnel in some office. Barr, also, however,

pointed out that she had e-mailed something unkind about Rep. Gonzalez,

D-Texas. Boy, did I ever get an education -- surf right over C-SPAN. DMLance



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Topics of the day:



 1. speed (4)

 2. imply/infer (2)

 3. snake doctors and such

 4. Counting e-mails



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Date:  Fri, 11 Aug 1995 00:44:08 -0700

From:  Rima & Kim McKinzey  rkm[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SLIP.NET 

Subject: speed



I know I'm slow sometimes, but it just filtered through that for a while

now, folks have been saying "warp" speed rather than "light" speed to

indicate excessive rapidity. When did this start? Can it all be laid at

the feet of Star Trek?



Rima



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Date:  Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:55:00 CDT

From:  Tom Murray  TEM[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]KSUVM.KSU.EDU 

Subject: imply/infer



The distinction between *imply* and *infer* has been dead or dying for some spe

akers of American English for at least two generations; that is, some people ca

n use *infer* to mean something the speaker or writer does (as opposed to the l

istener or reader). Last night on *48 Hours,* however, I thought I heard a per

son substitute *inference* for *implication*: the man speaking had just been f

ired by his school board for improper behavior involving upper-elementary-aged

girls--had, in fact, just heard the school board's pronouncement of his unsavor

y behavior and dismissal--and said, "I am profoundly hurt by any inference that

[I have done anything wrong]." I suppose he could have been talking about the

school board's inference of guilt based on the many hours of testimony they had

 heard from the girls (now women) whom the man allegedly molested; but it sound

ed an awful lot like he was talking about the between-the-lines implications (i

nferences?) the school board made in its statement regarding his dismissal. My

 question is this: Has anyone else heard *inference* used for *implication*?

Did anyone else hear this maybe-attestation last night on *48 Hours*?



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Date:  Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:59:08 CDT

From:  Barbara Need  barbara[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SAPIR.UCHICAGO.EDU 

Subject: Re: speed



Well, warp speed usaully means "faster thatn the speed of light",

not "as fast as the speed of light".



Barbara Need

University of Chicago--Linguistics



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Date:  Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:30:30 PDT

From:  tom creswell  creswell[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CROWN.NET 

Subject: snake doctors and such



When I read Terry Lynn Irons' message, I happened to be about to confer with

Virginia McDavid about some work we are doing.  She was kind enough

to consult her photocopied records and provide the following information.



"In North Central Record 184.1 from Leslie City, Ky, the difficult-to-read entry is

_mole cricket_. It is not a lexical variant of _devil's darning needle_. It is the

name of another creature



"A _devil's horse_ is a big glack grasshopper with red wings. It is not a dragon-

fly."



Hope this information will be helpful.



Tom Creswell



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Date:  Fri, 11 Aug 1995 14:07:59 -0700

From:  Peter McGraw  pmcgraw[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CALVIN.LINFIELD.EDU 

Subject: Re: Counting e-mails



Yesterday I caught myself twice saying "an e-mail." I'll bet many of

those who recently said they would only use "an e-mail MESSAGE" (etc.)

could also catch themselves counting e-mails in unguarded moments.



Peter McGraw

Linfield College

McMinnville, OR



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Date:  Fri, 11 Aug 1995 17:20:06 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: imply/infer



I have no experience of "inference" for "implication." But I have a great

story about imply/infer. One of the most amusing experiences I have

had on the witness stand as an expert witness occurred in Anderson Co. in

Judge "Buddy" Scott's courtroom. I was being qualified by the plaintiff;

after four or five questions, Judge Scott said to the attorney, "Don't ask her

any more questions; if she teaches English at the University of

Tennessee, she can testify in my courtroom."



Shortly, the attorney asked me a question in which he misused either

"imply" or "infer" as of course many people do. The judge stopped him,

corrected him, then gave a mini-lecture on the distinction between

"imply" and "infer." After he finished, he looked at me and said, "That's

right, isn't it?" I flashed an "OK" and knew that I would enjoy the rest of

my time on the witness stand (and I did).



Bethany Dumas



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Date:  Fri, 11 Aug 1995 14:23:21 PDT

From:  "//www.usa.net/~ague"  ague[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]REDRCK.ENET.DEC.COM 

Subject: Re: speed



warp is to the speed of light as mach is to the speed of sound. current

thinking is that speeds approaching warp 1 and exceeding it are impossible.



-- Jim



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Date:  Fri, 11 Aug 1995 17:23:28 -0700

From:  Sylvia Swift  madonna[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]VIOLET.BERKELEY.EDU 

Subject: Re: speed



i can't point to a print source for this, but i did see tv report

(_dateline_ segment? _c/net_?) in which it was stated that ibm purposely

chose the "warp" part of its new product name "os/2 warp" (sorry,

technoheads, if i got the punctuation wrong) as a nod to _star trek_ fans

and a signal that this product will be fun to use (if i am not mistaken,

this is what they were advertising with that series of subtitled

commercials, including "we shipped shore slop" and the polish(?) nuns

with beepers). the implication was (ok, so maybe it was the inference i

drew) that roddenberry or someone connected with the original series had

coined the term; an implication whose validity i remember doubting. but

_star trek_ undoubtedly popularized the term, and ibm's new whateveritis

may make it even more so. and after all, how impressive is lightening speed

in today's world? do they still say superman is faster than a speeding

bullet and more powerful than a locomotive?



sylvia swift

madonna[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]violet.berkeley.edu



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There are 3 messages totalling 141 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. speed

 2. speed (fwd)

 3. NEH funding news again



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Date:  Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:09:27 -0500

From:  Alan Williams  vanyel[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RHF.BRADLEY.EDU 

Subject: speed



(A friend and coworker of mine sent this little bit to me.)



 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 00:44:08 -0700

 From: Rima & Kim McKinzey  rkm[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SLIP.NET 

 To: Multiple recipients of list ADS-L  ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA.CC.UGA.EDU 

 Subject: speed

 

 I know I'm slow sometimes, but it just filtered through that for a while

 now, folks have been saying "warp" speed rather than "light" speed to

 indicate excessive rapidity. When did this start? Can it all be laid at

 the feet of Star Trek?

 

 Rima



Yes, actually, it is because of _Star Trek_. Before ST came along,

anyone who read science fiction might have said "supersonic" or

"hyperlight" speed when talking about moving fast (true science

fiction geeks would say "hyperlight" or something like that :-), but

the popularity of ST made "warp speed" a household term.



--

____ Alan Williams        \ `Chivalry is dead,' Rowena thought mor-

\ / vanyel[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]rhf.bradley.edu.edu  \ osely. `It's been replaced by total

 \/  awilliam[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]heartland.bradley.edu\ idiocy.' --Mercedes Lackey & Elisabeth

                   \ Waters, "A Dragon in Distress"



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Date:  Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:12:43 -0500

From:  Alan Williams  vanyel[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RHF.BRADLEY.EDU 

Subject: Re: speed (fwd)



(Another forwarded message from my friend and coworker.)



 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 17:23:28 -0700

 From: Sylvia Swift  madonna[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]VIOLET.BERKELEY.EDU 

 To: Multiple recipients of list ADS-L  ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA.CC.UGA.EDU 

 Subject: Re: speed

 

 i can't point to a print source for this, but i did see tv report

 (_dateline_ segment? _c/net_?) in which it was stated that ibm purposely

 chose the "warp" part of its new product name "os/2 warp" (sorry,

 technoheads, if i got the punctuation wrong) as a nod to _star trek_ fans

 and a signal that this product will be fun to use (if i am not mistaken,

 this is what they were advertising with that series of subtitled

 commercials, including "we shipped shore slop" and the polish(?) nuns

 with beepers). the implication was (ok, so maybe it was the inference i

 drew) that roddenberry or someone connected with the original series had

 coined the term; an implication whose validity i remember doubting. but

 _star trek_ undoubtedly popularized the term, and ibm's new whateveritis

 may make it even more so. and after all, how impressive is lightening speed

 in today's world? do they still say superman is faster than a speeding

 bullet and more powerful than a locomotive?



"Lightning speed" is, from what I can tell, still considered pretty

impressive. It's still faster than human. And yes, they *do* still

occasionally use the "Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful

than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound!"

references to Superman, even in the comic books. It's usually when

the writer's trying to emphasize something dramatic about Superman or

the story itself, and the nostalgic appeal can't be beat.





--

____ Alan Williams        \ `Chivalry is dead,' Rowena thought mor-

\ / vanyel[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]rhf.bradley.edu.edu  \ osely. `It's been replaced by total

 \/  awilliam[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]heartland.bradley.edu\ idiocy.' --Mercedes Lackey & Elisabeth

                   \ Waters, "A Dragon in Distress"



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Date:  Sat, 12 Aug 1995 15:42:28 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: NEH funding news again



Those who weary of the NEH saga, skip this. Those concerned about the

momentous decisions now being made on govt funding of humanities research,

read on. Again this is from our Washington source, the National Humanities

Alliance.

- Allan Metcalf



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Thu, Aug 10, 1995 9:58 AM CDT

From: jhammer[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]a.cni.org (John Hammer)



Yesterday, by voice vote, the Senate amended the FY-96 Interior and

Related Agencies Appropriations bill to increase the arts endowment by

$10.5 million and decrease the humanities endowment by $4.5 million

leaving both agencies at $110 million. The Institute of Museum Services

was increased by $1 million to $22 million. The amendment was initiated

by Senator James Jeffords (R-VT), with cosponsorship by SEnators Daniel

Akaka (D-HI), Dale Bumpers (D-AR), Christopher Dodd (D-CT), Edward

Kennedy (D-MA), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Carol

Moseley-Braun (D-IL), Claiborne Pell (D-RI), and Alan Simpson (R-WY).

The Senate bill does not include language phasing out the endowments.



The outcome of lowering NEH's level to accommodate NEA, as far as one

can tell, was not anti-NEH but reflected the drive for parity in a very

difficult context for finding acceptable offsets (i.e., other budget line

items, in this case from the Interior bill,from which to move money).

Senator Jeffords initially announced on the floor that the amendment would

bring both agencies to $115 but then conceded that that much in offsets

had not been found. NEH's community can be forgiven for being unhappy

about giving up potential funding to achieve parity between the endowments.

The legislators who are so concerned about parity now, were noticeably

unconcerned in the years when NEH's appropriations lagged behind NEA,

sometimes by as much as $30 million.



One unpleasant aspect of the amendment passed by the Senate is the

inclusion of language restricting National Endowment for the Arts grants

which was brought forward by Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC). The restrictive

language, which is vintage Helms, prohibits "support for projects to

promote, disseminate, sponsor or produce materials or performances" which

a) "denigrate or objects or beliefs of adherents of a particular

religion"; and b) "depict or describe, in a patently offensive was,

sexual or excretory activities or organs." Senate staffers indicate that

Senatoar Jeffords and his co-sponsors accepted the language out of

concern that they lacked the votes to pass the amendment without Helms.

The Helms language is directed only at NEA -- not NEH or IMS.



While many believe that the restrictive laguage eventually would be found

unconstitutional should it become laws, a major concern is that the issue

will deflect conferees from resolving the far more pressing issue of the

House-passed provision that terminates the NEA in two years and the NEH

in three years. As noted above, the Senate bill does not contain

language phasing out the agencies but Senator John McCain [R-AZ] mentioned

on the floor the night before the endowments came under discussion, that

he intended to sponsor a provision that neither endowment could use FY-96

funds without formal reauthorization -- For reasons unknown here, McCain did

not offer his proposal.



The next step for the endowments will be a House/Senate conference most

likely to be held in mid to late September.



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There are 4 messages totalling 93 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. snake doctors and such

 2. warp speed

 3. monkey blood in L.A.

 4. Next Methods Conference



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Date:  Mon, 14 Aug 1995 08:15:29 -0700

From:  Allen Maberry  maberry[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]U.WASHINGTON.EDU 

Subject: Re: snake doctors and such



The term mole cricket seems to have had a fairly wide distribution.



"mole cricket: burrowing insect of the genus *Gryllotalpa* [1714-]

1854 *Agric N.Y.* v. 143: From the construction of the forelegs ... and

the use to which they are applied, the species has received the name of

mole cricket. 1861 *Ill. Agric. Soc. Trans.* v.441: The common mole

cricket ... is probably found here.



Dictionary of American English (U of Chicago, 1942, repr. 1959) v.3, p. 1538



Allen

maberry[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]u.washington.edu



On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, tom creswell wrote:



  When I read Terry Lynn Irons' message, I happened to be about to confer with

  Virginia McDavid about some work we are doing.  She was kind enough

  to consult her photocopied records and provide the following information.

 

  "In North Central Record 184.1 from Leslie City, Ky, the difficult-to-read entry is

  _mole cricket_. It is not a lexical variant of _devil's darning needle_. It is the

  name of another creature

 

  "A _devil's horse_ is a big glack grasshopper with red wings. It is not a dragon-

  fly."

 

  Hope this information will be helpful.

 

  Tom Creswell

 



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Date:  Mon, 14 Aug 1995 08:42:50 -0700

From:  Anton Sherwood  dasher[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]NETCOM.COM 

Subject: warp speed



  warp is to the speed of light as mach is to the speed of sound. current

  thinking is that speeds approaching warp 1 and exceeding it are impossible.



You can _approach_ c all you like, you just can't reach it.



According to the Star Trek Technical Manual, "warp n" means n^3 times

lightspeed. And they should know, since Star Trek invented the phrase--

outside Roddenberry's universe, "warp" means a distortion of space itself

allowing travel from point to point without going through the

intervening space.



Anton Sherwood  *\\*  +1 415 267 0685  *\\*  DASher[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]netcom.com



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Date:  Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:54:02 MST

From:  Tom Uharriet  UTOM[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ADMN.712.NEBO.EDU 

Subject: Re: monkey blood in L.A.



  Does anyone know the term "monkey blood" referring to Mercurochrome,

  Merthiolate, or iodine? If so, please say when and where.



In the Sixties, in Los Angeles, we called Tincture Merthiolate

"Monkey Blood."









Tom Uharriet

Springville, Utah

utom[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]admin.712.nebo.edu



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Date:  Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:10:46 -0400

From:  "William A. Kretzschmar, Jr."  billk[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ATLAS.UGA.EDU 

Subject: Next Methods Conference



I ought to know, but I am having a hard time laying hands on the

directions for submitting an abstract for the Methods Conference in Wales

next summer. Does anybody (Allan M?) have them for posting to the list,

or to me privately? I think that September was the deadline!



Regards, Bill

******************************************************************************

Bill Kretzschmar         Phone:  706-542-2246

Dept. of English (Park 317)   FAX:   706-542-2181

University of Georgia      Internet: billk[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]atlas.uga.edu

Athens, GA 30602-6205      Atlas Web Page: http://hyde.park.uga.edu



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Topics of the day:



 1. Next Methods Conference



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Date:  Tue, 15 Aug 1995 21:32:24 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: Next Methods Conference



Such information as we have, is on page 2 of the May issue of the Newsletter

of the American Dialect Society. Place: U of Wales, Bangor, July 29-Aug 2,

1996. Deadline for abstracts: Dec 1, 1995. Alan Thomas plans a mailing later

this summer. His e-mail address is:

els030[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]bangor.ac.uk



- Allan Metcalf



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There are 4 messages totalling 173 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. ncte convention--san diego

 2. help on linguistic terminology (2)

 3. NWAVE 24



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Date:  Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:32:29 -0400

From:  "M. Lynne Murphy"  104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA 

Subject: ncte convention--san diego



i'm looking for a non-smoker to room with at the ncte convention in

san diego in november. anyone out there able to help and interested

in doing so?



please contact me personally,

lynne murphy



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M. Lynne Murphy              104lyn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]muse.arts.wits.ac.za

Department of Linguistics            phone: 27(11)716-2340

University of the Witwatersrand          fax: 27(11)716-8030

Johannesburg 2050

SOUTH AFRICA



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Date:  Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:12:14 -0500

From:  "Jeffrey H. Allen AXIS"  jhaaxis[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CAT.COM.LOCAL 

Subject: help on linguistic terminology



Just wondering if anyone out there can help me invent some layman's

terminology for a couple of linguistics terms. I have to teach grammar

courses to engineering technical writers who must learn the grammatical

concepts that we are teaching. Sometimes I have been able to create

some simplified termnology (for example: object verbs, no-object verbs,

double object verbs) for explaining the concept of transitivity.





I am a little stuck on what to do about the terms "complement" and

"relative clause".







First, we have the case of Infinitival Complements, which can be

simplified in terminology to "to + V(erb) Complements" , but I would

still like to find something more simplified for my writer who are not

English-majors; they are mechanics. For some Infinitival Comps, see

the following examples:





1. You need to decrease your speed.





2. The mechanic advises you to perform the following repairs.







Secondly, for S(entence) Complements, we have the following examples:









3. The mechanic decided that two gauges were neeeded.





4. The display will indicate whether a component is defective.





3 and 4 are S Comps attached to the Verb. However, there are other

kinds of S Comps as in the following:





5. The fact that no definite failure has occurred is not important.





5 is the case of an S Comp that attaches to a Noun.





There are also S Comps that attach to an adjective as in:





6. It is probable that oil will stick to the chain.







It is possible to simplify S Comps with the terms "that S

Complements" and "whether S Complements", but I am sure that these

technical writers are going to be intimidated by the use of the term

"Complement" in general. Does anyone have any suggestions about what

to call it for these two cases?







Thirdly, this brings me to the question of "Relative Clauses". They

are not really "relative" to anything, but I need to find another

simplified term for them. Examples include:





7. Parts that are shipped from the factory are considered to be free

from defects.





8. Removal all hazardous materials which can accumulate on the machine.





The term "relative clause" will again intimidate my writers. Any

suggestions?





Lastly, I guess this makes me consider how to simplify the word

"clause" in general, as compared to "phrase" and "sentence" that I can

keep. A sentence can be a clause, but not vice versa. How would you

label "clause" in layman's terms?





Many thanks in advance if you can come up with some ideas.







Jeff Allen



reply to: allenjh[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cat.com  OR  jhallen[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]indiana.edu



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Date:  Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:33:41 -0400

From:  Stephanie Strassel  strassel[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]BABEL.LING.UPENN.EDU 

Subject: NWAVE 24



Greetings!



For those of you who may be interested, there is now a WWW homepage

for the NWAVE 24 Conference. NWAVE (New Ways of Analyzing Variation),

an international sociolinguistics conference, will be held October 12-14 at

the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. The homepage contains

informantion about registration and a schedule of events, and includes a

list of the papers to be presented. The homepage can be accessed at



http://babel.ling.upenn.edu/~nagy/nwav/nwav.html



Several of the papers being presented are of potential interest to ADS

members, and there is scheduled one joint session with the ADS on Saturday.

If you are unable to access the homepage but would like further information

about NWAVE 24, please send email to the following address:



nwave24[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]babel.ling.upenn.edu.



I hope to meet some of you there!



Stephanie Strassel

Department of Linguistics

University of Pennsylvania



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Date:  Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:07:00 CDT

From:  "Donald M. Lance"  ENGDL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU 

Subject: Re: help on linguistic terminology



I have only a couple of suggestions regarding grammatical terms.

Rather than "relative clause" why not use the old term "adjective clause"?

Your engineers will know something about adjectives and nouns.



And I don't think English lit majors would cotton to heavy discussion of

"complement" any more than engineers. Work out ways of getting your

engineers to do some problem solving, not just labeling, as they work

with the morass of structures that linguists (but not English lit majors)

call complements.



As for "phrase" and "clause" point out that a clause has a verb in the

present, past or future tense and a phrase doesn't. Make that the

beginning point. Don't start by talking about "subject and verb." Tense

is the crucial element.



Just some comments off the top of my head. Good luck.

    DMLance



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Topics of the day:



 1. help on linguistic terminology

 2. NEH funding update (another long one)

 3. Mary Ann (or Marianne) quote (fwd)



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Date:  Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:18:35 EDT

From:  Terry Lynn Irons  t.irons[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MSUACAD.MOREHEAD-ST.EDU 

Subject: Re: help on linguistic terminology



Following on the heels of DMLance's comments, I would suggest including

the term "noun clause" in place of complement to account for at least

one of your examples.



In this regard a useful distinction is to be made between role or function

in the "sentence" and structure of the constituent performing that function.

Several of your examples have varying structures filling the object role

or function in the sentence. GB theory has highlighted the problems with

these constructions, but of course it has not given us explanatory tools

to talk about them in a pedagogical context. I suggest looking at

Pence & Emery's A Grammar of Present-Day English (circa 40s) for some

really helpful ideas.



Terry



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Date:  Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:34:49 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: NEH funding update (another long one)



Here follows another thorough report from our associates at the National

Humanities Alliance in Washington. For our field, in the US, the NEH is of

high importance; but I don't like loading ADS-L mailboxes every week with

material that not everyone finds relevant.



So - I propose the following:



If you would like to continue getting all the NEH Washington news, send me a

message to that effect. I'll construct an NEH mailing list, and send future

news items just to those on that list. OK? - Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]aol.com 



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18 August 1995



TO: NHA Members and Friends

FR: John Hammer and Cuc Vu



RE: Washington News Memo - 1) Senate votes $110 million for NEH

    2) Appropriations Conference next

    3) Hutchison-Bennett Bill Calls for

     Restructured Single Endowment



1) Senate votes parity for endowments at $110 million - On August

9, by voice vote, the Senate amended its Appropriation Committee

recommendation for the FY-96 Interior Appropriations bill by

increasing the arts endowment by $10.5 million and decreasing the

humanities endowment by $4.5 million, leaving both agencies at

$110 million (approximately 35% below the current year

appropriations). The Institute of Museum Services was left

unchanged at $21 million . The amendment was initiated by

Senators James Jeffords (R-VT) with cosponsorship by Senators

Daniel Akaka (D-HI), Dale Bumpers (D-AR), Christopher Dodd

(D-CT), Edward Kennedy (D-MA), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Patrick

Leahy (D-VT), Carol Moseley-Braun (D-IL), Claiborne Pell (D-RI),

and Alan Simpson (R-WY). Importantly, the Senate bill does not

include language phasing out the endowments.



The outcome of lowering NEH's allocation to accommodate NEA, as

far as one can tell, was not anti-NEH but rather reflected the

great difficulty in finding offsets (i.e., other Interior budget

lines to raid). Senator Jeffords, who authored the amendment,

initially sought to bring both agencies to $115 million but could

not find offsets that would be acceptable to other members whose

votes he needed. Some Senate staffers suggest that a factor in

arriving at parity but at the lower number was the dismay of the

Subcommittee chair and floor manager, Sen. Slade Gorton (R-WA),

who had only reluctantly agreed to bring the endowments in at the

$99.5 million figure voted by the House. Mr. Gorton said in the

subcommittee markup that he did not see NEH and NEA as having the

importance among federal cultural agencies as the Smithsonian,

National Gallery, and Holocaust Museum -- The latter agencies were

marked for very close to even funding, whereas the endowments were

marked for cuts in the 40% range. As part of the deal on the

amendment, Mr. Gorton pledged on the Senate floor to vigorously

uphold the budget levels contained in the amendment during the

conference with the House.



One troublesome aspect of the amendment passed by the Senate is

the inclusion of language restricting content of arts endowment

grants (but not NEH grants) brought forward by Senator Jesse Helms

(R-NC). The restrictive language, which is vintage Helms,

prohibits "support for projects to promote, disseminate, sponsor

or produce materials or performances" which a) "denigrate the

objects or beliefs of adherents of a particular religion"; and b)

"depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual or

excretory activities or organs." Senate staffers indicate that

Senator Jeffords and his co-sponsors accepted the language out of

concern that they lacked the votes to pass the amendment without

Helms. The effect of adding the Helms language on the votes of

conservatives was clear (i.e., there were no nays spoken). The

decision to pass the amendment on a voice vote rather than by roll

call is likely to simplify the work of conferees in September as

the Helms language will be easier to alter or set aside with no

record of how individual Senators voted.



While many believe the restrictive language eventually would be

found unconstitutional should it become law, a major concern is

that the issue will deflect conferees from resolving the far more

pressing issue of the House-passed provision that terminates the

NEA in two years and NEH in three. As noted above, the Senate

bill does not contain language phasing out the agencies (although

Senator John McCain [R-AZ] mentioned on the floor the night before

the endowments came under discussion, that he was going to propose

a provision that NEA could not use FY-96 funds without formal

reauthorization -- McCain however, did not offer the amendment

when the time came). Some have suggested that the Helms language

could be used as a bargaining chip in the effort to delete the

phasing out language.



2) Interior Appropriations Conference Likely in September - A

conference to iron out differences between the House and Senate

Interior appropriations bills will be held in September although

neither chamber has appointed conferees. Since conferences on

appropriations (and most other legislative areas) are composed of

the members of the relevant subcommittee plus full committee

leaders, the Interior conference is likely to have the following

makeup:



HOUSE - The Key players: Ralph Regula (R-OH) subcommittee chair,

Bob Livingston (R-LA) committee chair and ex officio member of the

subcommittee, Sidney Yates (D-IL) ranking minority member of the

subcommittee, and David Obey (D-WI) ranking minority member of the

full committee and ex officio member of the subcommittee.



Senate - The Key players: Slade Gorton (R-WA) subcommittee chair,

Mark Hatfield (R-OR) committee chair who is also a member of the

subcommittee, Robert Byrd (D-WV) ranking minority member of both

the subcommittee and full committee.



Other members of the conference (in order of seniority on the

subcommittees) - House/MAJORITY: Joseph McDade (R-PA), Jim Kolbe

(R-AZ), Joe Skeen (R-NM), Barbara Vucanovich (R-NV), Charles

Taylor (R-NC), George Nethercutt (R-WA), Jim Bunn (R-OR) /MINORITY

Norm Dicks (D-WA), Tom Bevill (D-AL), David Skaggs (D-CO) -

Senate/MAJORITY: Ted Stevens (R-AK), Thad Cochran (R-MS), Pete

Domenici (R-NM), Connie Mack (R-FL), Conrad Burns (R-MT), Robert

Bennett (R-UT), /MINORITY Ernest Hollings (D-SC), J. Bennett

Johnston (D-LA), Patrick J. Leahy (D-VT), Dale Bumpers (D-AR),

Harry Reid (D-NV), and Patty Murray (D-WA). An address and

contact list of the probable House-Senate conferees is attached.



The agenda for conferences such as the FY-96 interior bills are

generally restricted to points of difference between the two

chambers' bills. The key conference issues affecting NEH will

include:



 o Appropriation levels for NEH and NEA -- Both received $99.5

million in the House and $110 million in the Senate. There is a

long tradition of simply splitting the difference but other

outcomes are very possible. (Since IMS is the same in both bills,

it will not be "conferenced" as we say in Washington.)



 o "Authorization" - Both appropriations committee acted upon

committee-passed authorization bills that lacked the weight of a

full floor vote. In the case of the Senate (where there never was

much enthusiasm for the claim that funds cannot be appropriated

without formal authorization), the appropriation is nowhere near

the authorized funding levels of the Jeffords bill, which are $160

for NEH and $152 for NEA).



The House is more complicated since the authorizing committee bill

calls for the phasing out of both endowments in three years. In

the fight over the protective rule governing House debate (i.e.,

the rule that said agencies or programs could not be removed from

the budget simply because they were not authorized), NEA ended up

with a special provision requiring that the House must pass a

reauthorization bill before the arts agency can spend FY-96 funds.

This provision may well dominate the conference negotiations on

the cultural agencies; perhaps it will dominate the whole

conference. Mr. Regula must negotiate on the basis of



rather frenetic House debate in which the House conferees were

instructed to closely adhere to the provisions as passed by the

House. Some in the Senate delegation were quite annoyed at the

House presumption on what the Senate must accept.



 o Content restrictions - Although the Helms language applies

only to NEA, it could prove to be a stumbling block to agreement

on the other cultural agency issues. Some hill staffers are

predicting that, unlike the recent past, the Helms language will

be set aside with little fanfare.



3) Hutchison-Bennett Bill Would Create a Single Endowment from

NEH, NEA, and IMS - Senators Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) and

Robert Bennett (R-UT) have proposed a National Endowment

Restructuring Act of 1995 (S. 1071) which would collapse the

National Endowment for the Humanities, National Endowment for the

Arts, and the Institute of Museum Services into a single agency

called the National Endowment for Arts, Humanities, and Museum

Services. Features proposed for the new entity that differ

markedly from the current legislation and/or the Jeffords bill (S.

856) that was approved by committee in June include:



 o National grants would be restricted to "nationally

prominent groups, institutions, scholars to carry out nationally

significant projects and workshops in humanities, publications,

literacy, research a) providing fellowships, scholarships, and

stipends to carry out programs of national significance in

humanities; and b) producing significant publications in

humanities."



 o Support would go to "local groups of clearly recognized

value to support locally significant humanities projects

identified by [the national] council as being of state or

community importance."



 o A director would be appointed by the President, with the

advice and consent of the Senate. Director makes final decisions

on awards with council advice but may not overrule a negative

council recommendation. (Note: Since 1990, this constraint has

been in affect for the NEA but not the NEH).



 o Deputy directors for arts, humanities, and museum services

would direct processing of applications and presentation to the

council (i.e., unless the director comes from the humanities,

final decisions in humanities areas would rest with a director who

may have little or no experience with scholarship and other

humanities programming).



 o Federal share requirements - In general, endowment share is

25%; for groups with annual budgets $3 million or more, the

federal share would be 16.67%; Director may increase the federal

share to 50% with the approval of the council.



 o State grants - Although the legislation does not mention

this, a cover letter from Hutchison and Bennett call for sending

60% of the funds to the states. The legislation maintains a

framework for state councils but, curiously, only provides for

such agencies if they are components of state government. (State

arts councils are state agencies, while state humanities councils

are private 501(c)(3) organizations.)



 o A National Council on Arts, Humanities, and Museum Services

would be composed of the director and 18 members appointed by the

President with advice and consent of the Senate. Six would be

nominated by the House, six nominated by the Senate, and six

nominated by the President. The qualifications to serve are

similar to present requirements.



 o The annual authorized appropriation would be $370 million

for each of fiscal years 1996 through 2000.



Somewhat inconsistently with other provisions of the legislation,

the legislation would:



 o Prohibit grants to individuals except to nationally

prominent scholars; and



 o Prohibit subgrants (and seasonal support)



Comment: The Hutchison-Bennett bill was developed in good faith,

primarily by Senator Hutchison's staff, in order to provide an

alternative in the event that the Jeffords reauthorization bill

fails to win passage. The concept of a single unified endowment

with its support restricted to nationally, prominent groups with

more than half the funds going to the states is essentially

proposal advanced by Leonard Garment as a way out of the on-going

problems of the arts endowment. From a humanities point of view,

the entire proposal seems to have been developed with NEA and its

problems in mind. Consequently, in many areas (e.g., individual

fellowships, state humanities councils), the new arrangement would

be unresponsive to the needs in the humanities. On the other hand,

there would probably be unqualified support in the arts and

humanities community for grafting the authorized appropriation

level of $370 million for NEH, NEA, IMS onto the Jeffords

legislation.



_________________________



ATTACHMENT - ATTACHMENT - ATTACHMENT - ATTACHMENT - ATTACHMENT



NAME            LOCATION  TELEPHONE  STAFF ON NEH ISSUES



House Interior Appropriations Subcommittee



___Majority Members_(9)___



Ralph Regula (OH-16), Chair 2309 RHOB  225-3876  Barbara Wainman

  Chair

Joseph McDade (PA-10)    2107 RHOB  225-3731  Teresa Baker

Jim Kolbe (AZ-5)      205 CHOB  225-2542  Steve Bloch

Joe Skeen (NM-2)      2367 RHOB  225-2365  John Ryan

Barbara Vucanovich (NV-2)  2202 RHOB  225-6155  Mort Rolleston

Charles Taylor (NC-11)   231 CHOB  225-6401  Caroline Choi

George Nethercutt (WA-5)  1527 LHOB  225-2006  Amy Flachbart

Jim Bunn (OR-5)       1517 LHOB  225-5711  David Reinhardt

Bob Livingston (LA-1)    2406 RHOB  225-3015  Stan Skocki

  ex officio



___Minority Members_(5)___



Sidney Yates (IL-9), RM  2109 RHOB  225-2111  Mary Bain

                          Jason Alderman

Norm Dicks (WA-6)     2467 RHOB  225-5916  Mike Bagley

Tom Bevill (AL-4)     2302 RHOB  225-4876  Olivia Barton

David Skaggs (CO-2)    1124 LHOB  225-2161  Brooke Anderson

David Obey (WI-7)     2462 RHOB  225-3365  Christina Hamilton

  ex officio





Senate Interior Appropriations Subcommittee



___Majority Members_(8)___



Slade Gorton (WA), Chair  730 HSOB   224-3441   Elaine Wells Harmer

Mark Hatfield (OR)*    711 HSOB   224-3753   Heather Sack

Ted Stevens (AK)      522 HSOB   224-3004   Jane Rosenquist

Thad Cochran (MS)     326 RSOB   224-5054   Greg McGinity

Pete Domenici (NM)     328 DSOB   224-6621   Brian Jones

Connie Mack (FL)      517 HSOB   224-5274   Jamie Brown

Conrad Burns (MT)     183 DSOB   224-2644   Patty Deutsche

Robert Bennett (UT)    427 DSOB   224-5444   Corine Larson



___Minority Members_(7)___



Robert Byrd (WV), RM*   311 HSOB   224-3954   Sue Masica

Ernest Hollings (SC)    125 RSOB   224-6121   Pinara Black

J. Bennett Johnston (LA)  136 HSOB   224-5824   Donna Denison

Patrick J. Leahy (VT)   433 RSOB   224-4242   Maggie Whitney

Dale Bumpers (AR)     229 DSOB   224-4843   Kira Finkler

Harry Reid (NV)      324 HSOB   224-3542   Sue Maybry

Patty Murray (WA)     111 RSOB   224-2621   Helen Howell





RHOB=Rayburn House Office Building

LHOB=Longworth House Office Building

CHOB=Cannon House Office Building

RSOB=Russell Senate Office Building

DSOB=Dirksen Senate Office Building

HSOB=Hart Senate Office Building



RM=Ranking Minority



All phone numbers are in the (202) area code

All House zip codes are 20515

All Senate zip codes are 20510



*Mr. Hatfield is the Chair and Mr. Byrd is the Ranking Minority of the full

Senate Appropriations Committee.

--



  National Humanities Alliance

  21 Dupont Circle, N.W.

  Washington, D.C.  20036

   (202) 296-2994

   Internet: nhainfo[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cni.org



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Date:  Fri, 18 Aug 1995 21:15:24 -0500

From:  Daniel S Goodman  dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU 

Subject: Mary Ann (or Marianne) quote (fwd)



---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:57:56 -0700 (PDT)

From: n  jcl[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CLASS.ORG 

To: stumpers-list[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CRF.CUIS.EDU

Subject: Mary Ann (or Marianne) quote





Dear Fellow Wombats --



We have a patron who is looking for the etymology of the phrase

"the whole Mary Ann (or Marianne)". Several of us here in

southern Oregon have heard this phrase and the general consensus

is that it means "the whole enchilada, kit and caboodle", etc.

But we can't find anything that SAYS that's what it means.

We have checked all our phrase books, quote books, slang

dictionaries, and so on. Many thanks in advance.



Jan Gorden

Jackson County Library Services

jcl[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]class.org



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There is one message totalling 58 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. CALL FOR PAPERS---JENGL



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Date:  Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:53:28 -0400

From:  "William A. Kretzschmar, Jr."  billk[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ATLAS.UGA.EDU 

Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS---JENGL



            CALL FOR PAPERS

         Journal of English Linguistics



   One of the few linguistics journals dedicated to presenting primarily

empirical work, the Journal of English Linguistics is now being published

by Sage Periodicals Press, a leading international publisher of scholarly

books and journals in the social sciences.



   The Editors, William A. Kretzschmar, Jr., and Charles F. Meyer,

continue to invite submissions on the modern and historical periods of the

English language. The Journal of English Linguistics normally prints

synchronic and diachronic studies on subjects from Old and Middle English,

to modern English grammar, corpus linguistics, and dialectology. Other

topics, for example, from language contact, to pidgins/creoles, or

stylistics are acceptable if the article keeps its focus on the English

language. Articles normally range from 10 to 25 pages in typescript (up

to about 50Kb on disk). Submission to the Journal of English Linguistics

implies that your article hasn't been simultaneously submitted to other

journals or previously published elsewhere.



     As a new feature beginning with the first Sage issue, Volume 24,

the Journal of English Linguistics will publish Special Issues (monographs

or topical collections of articles appropriate to the journal that are up

to approximately 100 printed pages). These Special Issues should treat

methodology or present results of model studies. All methodological

issues should be fully illustrated with particular examples from empirical

research, and should present documentation complete enough for readers

themselves to use the methods described. Model studies should fully

describe data acquisition and analysis, as well as present detailed

results and conclusions. Proposals for Special Issues of the Journal of

English Linguistics should be sent to the Editor.



   The journal will continue to review titles in general and historical

linguistics, language variation, sociolinguistics, and dialectology for an

international audience. Unsolicited reviews cannot be considered. Books

for review and correspondence regarding reviews should be sent to the

Editor.



   All submissions should be prepared according to The Chicago Manual of

Style, 14th ed. Submissions are juried. Send all MSS to the Editor:

provide a textfile produced by any common IBM-compatible word processor,

on diskette or via electronic mail (Mac users should submit a pure ASCII

file), plus two copies of a formatted printout. All other editorial

correspondence should be addressed to the Editor.



          William A. Kretzschmar, Jr.

       Editor, Journal of English Linguistics

           University of Georgia,

           Athens, GA 30602-6205

            Tel: (706) 542-2246

          Email: billk[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]atlas.uga.edu



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There are 2 messages totalling 55 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. Chicken gods

 2. Chickengods



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Date:  Tue, 22 Aug 1995 11:54:16 CDT

From:  Barbara Need  barbara[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SAPIR.UCHICAGO.EDU 

Subject: Chicken gods



Posted recently on LINGUIST:



2)

Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 16:54:36 +0200

From: Hiwis-Wode[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]anglistik.uni-kiel.de (" (Hiwis Wode)")

Subject: Huehnergoetter



Recently I came across the German word Huehnergoetter (sg. Huehnergott, the

translation would be something like chicken god(s)) which is used to refer

to a certain kind of stone you can find on the beach from time to time.

These stones have one or more holes in them. I'm very interested in the

etymology of 'Huehnergoetter' but I could not find any information so far.

The only slight hint I got is that this word is very frequently used by

German boy scouts. Does anyone know anything about this term or are there

similar names in other languages?

Gerd Krohn, English department, University of Kiel, Germany



I remembered the term from my childhood near Cleveland as "chicken stone",

but my mother assures me that it was "chicken god". The story she

was told was that Russian peasants picked up these stones and hung them

in chicken coops to eoncourage them to lay eggs. I have asked friends

who grew up in a variety of different places around the US and none of

them had ever heard of such a term--though one friend recalled hearing/

reading something which related such a practice in the Caucases (he thought).



Doed anyone on the list know of a term for such stones? Where used?



Barbara Need

University of Chicago--Linguistics



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Date:  Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:21:05 EDT

From:  "Karl-Heinz W. Boewe"  MCLK-HWB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UKCC.UKY.EDU 

Subject: Chickengods



A couple of years ago I went back to the island of my birth, Ruegen, with

my cousin who lives in Berlin. I picked up an unusually shaped stone, flint

most likely, with a hole through it, and my cousin said: "Ach ja, ein Huehner-

gott!" I had never heard the expressio but he said that they, as kids, had

always called it that when on vacation on the Baltic beaches. He had no idea

why. I brought it back with me to Kentucky, hoping that some day I would find

an etymological explanation.



Karl-Heinz W. Boewe

Medical Center Library

University of Kentucky

Lexington, Kentucky 40536



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Topics of the day:



 1. ADS-L Digest - 21 Aug 1995 to 22 Aug 1995 (2)



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Date:  Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:41:35 -0500

From:  "Timothy C. Frazer"  mftcf[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-L Digest - 21 Aug 1995 to 22 Aug 1995



How do I STOP getting ADS-L in digest form? There is so little activity

that the digest is no longer necessary.



Tim Frazer



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Date:  Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:42:44 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-L Digest - 21 Aug 1995 to 22 Aug 1995



  How do I STOP getting ADS-L in digest form? There is so little activity

  that the digest is no longer necessary.



The command (to the listserv, not to the list) is this:

set ads-l nodigest



But you don't need to do it since I just did it for you. The reason I

did it for you was that I wasn't sure that was the right command and was

curious to try it. I'm happy to report that it worked.

  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



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There are 2 messages totalling 39 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. NEH and Humanities Day Sept 12

 2. Grand Rapids invitation



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Date:  Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:03:09 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: NEH and Humanities Day Sept 12



As a member of the National Humanities Alliance, the American Dialect Society

is invited to participate in Humanities Day Sept 12 in Washington, DC: an

event "to make members of Congress more aware of the humanities community and

the importance of the National Endowment for the Humanities to the overall

humanities enterprise in the U.S. Plans for the day include a brief early

morning program over coffee and rolls focused on the effort to retain the NEH

with remarks by members of Congress, historian and author David McCullough,

and others; meethings with legislators and their staff organized by state or

Congressional district; and a final wrap-up session (debriefing) to compare

notes."

The National Humanities Alliance board "urges all NHA members to designate at

least one of their individual members or staff to come to Washington on the

12th and participate."

Would anyone like to be ADS' designee? We're not in a position to pay your

expenses, but you'd have our thanks.

Let me know if you're interested or would like further information.

- Allan Metcalf



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Date:  Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:03:13 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Grand Rapids invitation



Would anyone like to represent the American Dialect Society at the

inauguration of Dr. Gaylen J. Byker as the 8th president of Calvin College in

Grand Rapids, Michigan, on Sunday evening Oct 29 and Monday, Oct 30?



If so, please let me know. (We don't pay expenses, but you'd get full

honors.)



Thanks. - Allan Metcalf



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There are 2 messages totalling 31 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. Ethnologue Web Site

 2. ADS-ANS deadline September 1



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Date:  Fri, 25 Aug 1995 09:30:39 PDT

From:  "//www.usa.net/~ague"  ague[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]REDRCK.ENET.DEC.COM 

Subject: Ethnologue Web Site



I came across this URL that might be of interest to some of you:



     http://www-ala.doc.ic.ac.uk/~rap/Ethnologue



It is a database of Language.



-- Jim



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Date:  Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:01:42 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



At the ADS annual meeting in Chicago this December, one program session will

be sponsored by us jointly with the American Name Society, which also meets

in the same place at the same time.



The deadline for our other sessions has passed, but this session has a

deadline of September 1, and at the moment there is still room.



If you'd like to be considered, please send me a proposal by that date.



- Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]aol.com 



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There is one message totalling 19 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. Dialect on Mount Rushmore



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Date:  Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:06:23 -0700

From:  THOMAS CLARK  tlc[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]NEVADA.EDU 

Subject: Dialect on Mount Rushmore



Here in the dog days of summer, I sit and watch local TV commercials.

One featured a local "talent" as the fifth face on Mount Rushmore,

pitching Ford cars. I listened to the New Jersey accent and began to

wonder about the other four guys up there.



What would their accents sound like. Here is a chance for ADS to do a

service to the National Park Service (or whoever) and do a tape of Famous

Words in the dialect of the individuals (I'll do Abe). How about it?

what will the others sound like?



Cheers,

tlc



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There are 19 messages totalling 478 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. Fwd: knee-high (3)

 2. ADS-ANS deadline September 1 (13)

 3. Pot-house politicians (fwd) (3)



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 16:25:26 GMT

From:  Barnhart  Lexik[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]HIGHLANDS.COM 

Subject: Fwd: knee-high



I have been doing some looking about at Americanism lately. One I found

listed with several variants was _knee-high to a toad_ and _knee-high to a

mosquito_ and _knee-high to a frog_ and _knee-high to a duck_ and even

_knee-high to nothing_. I was born in the Chicaog area and spent most of my

childhood in the New York City area. The expression for me was always

_knee-high to a grasshopper_.



My query to anyone interested is: Is this regional or just subject to wild

variation?



David K. Barnhart

Barnhart[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]Highlands.com



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 14:23:33 EST

From:  Betty Phillips  EJPHILL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ROOT.INDSTATE.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 13:38:46 -0600

From:  POLSKY ELLEN S  Ellen.Polsky[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]COLORADO.EDU 

Subject: Re: Fwd: knee-high



It was always knee-high to a grasshopper to me. (Philadelphia)



Ellen S. Polsky (Ellen.Polsky[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]Colorado.EDU)



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 13:02:32 -0700

From:  Dan Alford  dalford[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]S1.CSUHAYWARD.EDU 

Subject: Re: Fwd: knee-high



Me too, growing up in LA amidst Arkies & Okies.



On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, POLSKY ELLEN S wrote:



  It was always knee-high to a grasshopper to me. (Philadelphia)

 

  Ellen S. Polsky (Ellen.Polsky[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]Colorado.EDU)

 



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 16:26:53 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



Dear Betty,

 I don't know what's in your mail. I don't have Pegasus, and I have no idea

how to decode it manually. Can you send plain text?

 Thanks - Allan Metcalf



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 16:09:54 -0600

From:  "Salikoko S. Mufwene"  s-mufwene[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UCHICAGO.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



I am sorry to report that the message from Betty Phillips was received

as computer garbage on my server.

Sali.

**********************************************************************

Salikoko S. Mufwene

University of Chicago

Department of Linguistics

1010 East 59th Street

Chicago, IL 60637

s-mufwene[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uchicago.edu

312-702-8531; FAX 312-702-9861



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:46:33 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



I am certain there is some good reason for sending uuencoded [sic!]

files to this list. And I am reasonably certain thatone of these days I

will figure out aprocedure to get text out of something that arrives

looking like this:



MSW!O=&5N=&EA;&QY[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]&AO;6]P:&]N;W5S[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]'=I=&B`=F5R8G.`[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]"AE+F N+(#R

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Meanwhile, I doubt that I am the only person on this list who does NOT

have the faintest diea what to do with this stuff. Could someone

post a hint as to how to get started finding the text in the message?



[idea]



Thanks,

Bethany Dumas

dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]utk.edu



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:57:35 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



  I am certain there is some good reason for sending uuencoded [sic!]

  files to this list. And I am reasonably certain thatone of these days I

  will figure out aprocedure to get text out of something that arrives

  looking like this:



The procedure is very easy if you have the uuencode/uudecode program.

(Most Unix systems have it online, I think.) To uudecode something,

you simply enter 'uudecode filename'. But I would never decode an

encoded file without knowing in advance what it was.

  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 19:06:30 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



Natalie wrote:



The procedure is very easy if you have the uuencode/uudecode program.

(Most Unix systems have it online, I think.) To uudecode something,

you simply enter 'uudecode filename'. But I would never decode an

encoded file without knowing in advance what it was.



But what if one does not use a Unix system?



Thanks,

Bethany Dumas



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:34:38 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



  But what if one does not use a Unix system?



Uuencode/decode is also available for the PC. I'm not sure about other

kinds of computers. And I've never used it on my PC since I find it just

as easy to use it online and then download the uudecoded files. Uuencode

doesn't compress the file, so you're not shortening your download time by

waiting to uudecode it on your PC. The only reason for using uuencode is

to be able to send binary files via e-mail. You can send a program or a

Wordperfect document or whatever if the person receiving it also has

uuencode/decode.

  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:33:19 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



Natlaie I'm going crazy over this! I don't use a PC either!



But thanks for the efforts.



Bethany Dumas



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:13:36 -0400

From:  Al Futrell  awfutr01[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]HOMER.LOUISVILLE.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Bethany Dumas, UTK wrote:



  Natlaie I'm going crazy over this! I don't use a PC either!

 

  But thanks for the efforts.

 

  Bethany Dumas



OK, Bethany, what do you use? All that matters is that you are using a

mail program that supports MIME (ok, so it is jargon). I have uudecoded

files on several platforms. All you need is the program. Of course if

you are using a Mac, a uudecoded file from a PC may be of little use to you.



I sure hope this message is a killer, given all the time we are spending

on it!



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:24:34 EDT

From:  Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



For Bethany and anyone else--

  If in saying you don't use a PC you mean you use a Mac rather than that you

don't use a personal computer of any brand ("PC" is one of those wonderful

autohyponyms bequeathed to us by the march of technology, like "xeroxed" or

"thermos" or "scotch tape"), you could do what I did, which is download a

program called UULite from your university file server. It lets you merge one

or more uuencoded files and decode the result into a format that can then be

opened by your usual word processing software (MS Word or whatever). I have

that program on my hard disk at work, but I confess the title of this

particular message was not one that prompted me to use the software on it. If

nobody beats me to the punch, I'll be happy to decode the message and post the

readable version tomorrow afternoon.



Larry



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:51:18 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



To the world:



I use a Macintosh computer. My univ. account runs on VAX computer.

End of messages. Thanks, Natalie.



Now when is Betty going to tell us why is was useful to send a

uuencoded message to us?



Bethany Dumas

English/U of TN

dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]utk.edu



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:55:35 -0400

From:  "Bethany Dumas, UTK"  DUMASB[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTKVX.UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



Thanks, Larry. Let me be sure I understand:



I should find a program called UULite on something called a university

file server, download it, then -- what/ How do I get the computer

garbage I received INTO the thing that is going to decode it?



I'm certain you computer literates are sick of reading how little I

know about all this. But if someone can just help me get started ...



Thanks,

Bethany



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:57:59 -0500

From:  Daniel S Goodman  dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU 

Subject: Pot-house politicians (fwd)



---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:16:17 -0400 (EDT)

From:r1hall[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]mecn.mass.edu

To: stumpers-list[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CRF.CUIS.EDU

Subject: Pot-house politicians



A Civil War diarist refered to Washington, D.C. as "a meeting place for

pot-house politicians, gamblers and conspirators." Does anyone know what

a pot-house refered to in the 1860s?



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 23:38:27 EDT

From:  Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: Re: ADS-ANS deadline September 1



Well, since I started this: if you don't have access to a file server, or

some other site that might have UULite or a similar decoding program, all this

may be irrelevant. If you can get your (computer's) hands on a copy of such a

program, you just need to save the offending message onto your disk (however

you usually do that) and then when you're using the UULite or whatever, just

find that file. If you don't download mail messages (in my system, such

downloaded messages are automatically saved as TeachText files, but can also

be opened with Word), this is again irrelevant, since UULite won't apply until

you've created a file to decode. It probably doesn't make sense to go into

detail on downloading mail messages, since I think each system has its own

quirks and customs.  As to why anyone sending a message would send it in a

uueoncoded format, I'm afraid I haven't figured that one out. I suppose it's

because they can, but somehow that answer isn't fully satisfactory.



Larry



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 23:47:50 EDT

From:  Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: Re: Pot-house politicians (fwd)



 From:     Daniel S Goodman  dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU 

 Subject:   Pot-house politicians (fwd)

 To:      Multiple recipients of list ADS-L  ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA.CC.UGA.EDU 





 ---------- Forwarded message ----------

 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:16:17 -0400 (EDT)

 From:r1hall[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]mecn.mass.edu

 To: stumpers-list[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CRF.CUIS.EDU

 Subject: Pot-house politicians





 A Civil War diarist refered to Washington, D.C. as "a meeting place for

 pot-house politicians, gamblers and conspirators." Does anyone know what

 a pot-house refered to in the 1860s?



I don't have any idea, but I'll wager they didn't admit inhaling back then

either.



--Larry



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Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 23:57:03 -0400

From:  Al Futrell  awfutr01[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]HOMER.LOUISVILLE.EDU 

Subject: Re: Pot-house politicians (fwd)



On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Daniel S Goodman wrote:



  A Civil War diarist refered to Washington, D.C. as "a meeting place for

  pot-house politicians, gamblers and conspirators." Does anyone know what

  a pot-house refered to in the 1860s?



"Pot" has traditionally been associated with drinking in once sense and

with gambling in another, so a pot-house could easily be a place where

one does both....



Al Futrell

-- al[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]spieler.comm.louisville.edu

-- http://www.louisville.edu/~awfutr01

Dept of Communication -- University of Louisville



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