Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:59:48 -0700 From: Peter McGraw Subject: Re: On those Bobdolisms Wait, Bruce, don't feel dirty and wretched just yet! I think you've hit on something more fundamental. I wonder if "third-person-ese" may actually pre-date, in just the context Bruce cites, the current fashion for its use by celebreties. I remember both of my maternal grandparents using it with my sister and me when we were little, and my mother (who didn't use it herself) quoting my grandfather using it with her when SHE was little. The following exchange, for example, was an attempt of his to ease her dissatisfaction about the shape of her chin: He: "Does Daddy's chin look all right?" She: "Yes." (Thinking privately that in fact it shared the very qualities she was most dissatisfied with.) He: "Well, yours is just like his." I don't remember my paternal grandmother (from Iowa) ever "using this usage." My (maternal) grandfather was raised in Texas, my grandmother in Indian Territory/Oklahoma, and they both lived their adult lives in Oklahoma City after a few years in "Hewston." Of course this still doesn't answer the question of how the usage originated and why, or how it has gotten transferred from the intimate-family sphere to an arrogant/celebrity/public one. Peter McGraw Linfield College McMinnville, OR On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Bruce Gelder wrote: > Larry, > > I don't know whether this would fit in with your examples or not, but I > caught myself last night telling my kids something along the lines of > "No, Dad WOULDN'T like you to do that...." When I realized what I'd said, > (and especially the comments that have been made here about the types of > people who talk in 3rd-person-ese, I felt dirty and wretched, as if I > had been transformed into the Wicked Witch of the West or (worse) a > Presidential candidate. > > I hereby solemnly vow never to use the construction again... > > Bruce Gelder > (bgelder[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] >