Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:38:56 -0500 From: "Timothy C. Frazer" Subject: Re: need + participle My posting in reply to Bob Wachal pretty much answers the queries below. I think I forgot to mention, however, that BEth also collected DARE citations and found 10 (the DARE QR does not invite this response). 5 in Pennsylvania, one in w.Va., 1 in so. Ohio, 1 in w. Tenn., 1 in Louisiana, 1 in Idaho. With rare exceptions, this feature distributes itself like most midland features. Compare, for example, the DARE map for the low-back vowel merger (reproduced in Wolfram's book on American dialects). Tim Frazer On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Bruce Gelder wrote: > Anton Sherwood reports: > > >My parents (natives of Indiana) reported hearing "the car needs washed" > >when they moved from Illinois to Pittsburgh. > > and Cathy Bodin asks: > > >Does anyone have an idea of the geographical extension of this phrase, > >i.e. "this needs washed" instead of "this needs being washed" or "it > >needs a washing?" > > Is it limited to Pennsylvania? > > I had claimed in my original posting that one of the three people I know > who use the construction consistently is from Salt Lake City. I remember > now that he's actually originally from Pennsylvania (western, I think--but > I'm not certain), so that makes three Pennsylvania sources so far. Is > it very widespread there? > > Also, we already have reports of two sources in Ohio, plus I received E-mail > from someone stating that his mother from Akron used the "needs washed" > construction (his father, from Stowe, OH, used the "needs washing" > construction). So that makes three sources in Ohio so far, two of > which are from Akron. > > Am I to assume from this that this is a fairly common construction between > Akron and Pittsburgh? Is it the norm? > > Also, if there's anyone out there from Montana, is it also used there with > any regularity? Or is it just a quirk in my friend's case? > > Incidentally, Cathy, I'm unfamiliar with the "this needs being washed" > construction. It's not a part of my dialect. I always use the infinitive > (i.e. "this needs to be washed"). And "it needs a washing" is something I > hear at times, but it's not productive for me. > > --Bruce Gelder > bgelder[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] >