Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:38:56 -0500
From: "Timothy C. Frazer" mftcf[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU
Subject: Re: need + participle
My posting in reply to Bob Wachal pretty much answers the queries
below. I think I forgot to mention, however, that BEth also collected
DARE citations and found 10 (the DARE QR does not invite this response).
5 in Pennsylvania, one in w.Va., 1 in so. Ohio, 1 in w. Tenn., 1 in
1 in Idaho. With rare exceptions, this feature distributes itself like
most midland features. Compare, for example, the DARE map for the
low-back vowel merger (reproduced in Wolfram's book on American dialects).
On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Bruce Gelder wrote:
Anton Sherwood reports:
My parents (natives of Indiana) reported hearing "the car needs washed"
when they moved from Illinois to Pittsburgh.
and Cathy Bodin asks:
Does anyone have an idea of the geographical extension of this phrase,
i.e. "this needs washed" instead of "this needs being washed" or "it
needs a washing?"
Is it limited to Pennsylvania?
I had claimed in my original posting that one of the three people I know
who use the construction consistently is from Salt Lake City. I remember
now that he's actually originally from Pennsylvania (western, I think--but
I'm not certain), so that makes three Pennsylvania sources so far. Is
it very widespread there?
Also, we already have reports of two sources in Ohio, plus I received E-mail
from someone stating that his mother from Akron used the "needs washed"
construction (his father, from Stowe, OH, used the "needs washing"
construction). So that makes three sources in Ohio so far, two of
which are from Akron.
Am I to assume from this that this is a fairly common construction between
Akron and Pittsburgh? Is it the norm?
Also, if there's anyone out there from Montana, is it also used there with
any regularity? Or is it just a quirk in my friend's case?
Incidentally, Cathy, I'm unfamiliar with the "this needs being washed"
construction. It's not a part of my dialect. I always use the infinitive
(i.e. "this needs to be washed"). And "it needs a washing" is something I
hear at times, but it's not productive for me.
bgelder[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]camel.sim.es.com